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Post by indiehouse on Oct 1, 2017 17:00:54 GMT -6
I want to add a Pultec style EQ (or pair) to my rack. I thought I was going to grab a pair of the KT's. Ordered twice and ended up cancelling twice. Keep getting cold feet about them. I hear they're decent for the money, but I don't want to put something in my rack just because it's cheap. These things weren't exactly flying off the shelves at $499. Drop $200 off the price, now they're the hot item. BUT, they are the price of a plugin, which can't be overlooked. I hear they're similar to the Warms, maybe a little tighter in the bottom. Lately, my philosophy has been "buy nice, not twice".
I'm not going to throw down for the Pulse. I'd love to and I'm sure the buck stops there in terms of accuracy, but it's not happening (unless I strike it rich).
I've been thinking about building the Drip or AML instead.
So, my considerations come down to two things: Drip vs AML OR Drip/AML vs the KT.
Thoughts?
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Post by spindrift on Oct 1, 2017 17:21:00 GMT -6
I'm at a disadvantage never having played with or heard a real Pultec EQP-1A. I went "shot in the dark" and got a pair of the Revive Audio modded Warm EQP-WA units and had Bowie send me some NOS tubes that tamed the midrange forwardness of the JJs and TungSol's a touch. They sound pretty nice, but I doubt they have the high-end magic of the originals. I suspect it's all in the old transformers.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 1, 2017 17:51:56 GMT -6
The KT and Warm do not have the high frequency curve shapes of the originals. Many others do. Dig into that.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 1, 2017 17:55:53 GMT -6
The KT and Warm do not have the high frequency curve shapes of the originals. Many others do. Dig into that. Yeah, I had read that. The inductor used in those isn't right or something. I hear they can get a little harsh if boosted too much. I'd like to utilize this EQ on a vocal chain for high end boost, which is one of the reasons I keep getting cold feet over the KT's.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 1, 2017 18:07:04 GMT -6
what about the eq in the forum classified ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2017 18:35:23 GMT -6
The KT and Warm do not have the high frequency curve shapes of the originals. Many others do. Dig into that. Yeah, I had read that. The inductor used in those isn't right or something. I hear they can get a little harsh if boosted too much. I'd like to utilize this EQ on a vocal chain for high end boost, which is one of the reasons I keep getting cold feet over the KT's. Maag.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 1, 2017 19:27:42 GMT -6
Analog Allstars 500 series if you can build it. It's fast and easy.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 1, 2017 19:51:35 GMT -6
Analog Allstars 500 series if you can build it. It's fast and easy. I was considering that. You prefer that over the tubes?
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Post by notneeson on Oct 1, 2017 19:58:43 GMT -6
It would be pretty cool if KT or Warm made a 2520 version of the Pultec.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 1, 2017 21:55:38 GMT -6
Analog Allstars 500 series if you can build it. It's fast and easy. I was considering that. You prefer that over the tubes? Unless you're going all the way with original type transformers, it'll never sound like an original Pultec. Transformers are always way more of the signature than tubes. A SS Pultec will sound more like a 'Pultec' than anyone else's version, because of the transformers. So we're not living that dream; go for accurate broader/smoother curves as the next best solution. People seem to universally call the SS Pultecs tighter in the bottom than the tube, and the KT seems to get points for bottom tightness over the Warm. I smell at least one trend. The Analog Allstars curves are at least right, and it adds additional frequency points. That's the only option I have personally assessed, there are certainly plenty of others. Someone will eventually show off the KT they hacked a completely different circuit into, total gut replacement keeping the case and knobs. Who knows, that could be competitive.....but I doubt it. I bet their metal isn't great. Metalwork isn't cheap or easy with the drill press. PS: I would go AML over Drip, for reasons too numerous to mention. Hell, I'd just go point to point and fire up the drill press. Maybe consider the Vintage Windings cap/inductor package as a starting point.
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 2, 2017 7:00:36 GMT -6
I was fortunate enough to score a fantastic deal on a used Retro 2A3. Now THAT was a step up from the Warm Audio I had! The Retro is a thing of beauty.
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Post by sean on Oct 2, 2017 8:01:43 GMT -6
The Analog Allstars EQ is great, and I personally would like to try the AML EQP and MEQ but it looks like those kits, along with the 2254, aren't on Colin's site anymore. I missed the boat ordering those when the dollar was stronger (a EPQ kit will cost you about $75 more than it would have at the beginning of the year)...if you are going that route I'd do it soon because the dollar keeps getting weaker against the pound.
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Post by jayfitz on Oct 2, 2017 10:01:52 GMT -6
You may also want to consider the Amtec PEQ-10, great EQ. And if you check with John Kenn, there may be some room to save a few dollars for RGO members.
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2017 11:07:49 GMT -6
I would not overlook the KT unit. Being a DIY type guy, you can easily swap out a few components and make it exponentially better. That's not to say that it NEEDS to be better. A vintage pultec it is not. Nor is anything else available without vintage transformers. BUT, as a imminently useable tool in the Pultec tradition, it succeeds magnificently IMO. And at a cost that is ridiculous. Why not buy one and try it out. The worst that can happen is that you off it and loose a hundred bucks or so. My guess is that even if it does not meet your criteria, you will keep it and continue looking. I'm happy with two here.
>>>Personally, I find em significantly more useful than the highly touted EQ's I bought from you. Which cost more than double the KT's.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 2, 2017 11:35:09 GMT -6
Analog Allstars 500 series if you can build it. It's fast and easy. I was considering that. You prefer that over the tubes? What about the built pulse 500 units around $1200 a piece?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:52:00 GMT -6
TC Pullet another possibility, I have one and love it, not too expensive, but caveats: 1) I've never used a "real" Pultec to compare, so no idea how close it is, and 2) it's all passive with about a 40dB insertion loss, so will need a dual mic pre to bring it back up to line level (I use a TG2).
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Oct 2, 2017 17:30:33 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 3, 2017 9:13:07 GMT -6
I would not overlook the KT unit. Being a DIY type guy, you can easily swap out a few components and make it exponentially better. That's not to say that it NEEDS to be better. A vintage pultec it is not. Nor is anything else available without vintage transformers. BUT, as a imminently useable tool in the Pultec tradition, it succeeds magnificently IMO. And at a cost that is ridiculous. Why not buy one and try it out. The worst that can happen is that you off it and loose a hundred bucks or so. My guess is that even if it does not meet your criteria, you will keep it and continue looking. I'm happy with two here. >>>Personally, I find em significantly more useful than the highly touted EQ's I bought from you. Which cost more than double the KT's. You're right, I suppose I ought to check them out. >>>Ouch! Can't tell if that was a slight at me or the EQ's! Ha! Regardless, I'll give the KT's a go.
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Post by drbill on Oct 3, 2017 9:24:46 GMT -6
I would not overlook the KT unit. Being a DIY type guy, you can easily swap out a few components and make it exponentially better. That's not to say that it NEEDS to be better. A vintage pultec it is not. Nor is anything else available without vintage transformers. BUT, as a imminently useable tool in the Pultec tradition, it succeeds magnificently IMO. And at a cost that is ridiculous. Why not buy one and try it out. The worst that can happen is that you off it and loose a hundred bucks or so. My guess is that even if it does not meet your criteria, you will keep it and continue looking. I'm happy with two here. >>>Personally, I find em significantly more useful than the highly touted EQ's I bought from you. Which cost more than double the KT's. You're right, I suppose I ought to check them out. >>>Ouch! Can't tell if that was a slight at me or the EQ's! Ha! Regardless, I'll give the KT's a go. Not you at all. Just disappointment in the actual design and sound, not the build. Sorry if that came off snarky - it wasn't meant that way. For some reason, they just weren't what I expected. I've kept them, and keep hoping I'll eventually warm up to them - but not yet. The KT's were pretty dead on to what I expected. They work like a Pultec works and they are not a vintage Pultec and they are better for me than plugins. I'm confident they can be made better with some cap swaps and some tube rolling if that's up your alley. Good luck on your search.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 3, 2017 16:59:57 GMT -6
I love the aml pultecs — very easy build and I’m sure they’ll go back up for sale sooner or later. I haven’t compared them to other versions, but a friend of mine with the Warms much preferred mine.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2017 17:05:23 GMT -6
The AML's I believe use Carnhill transformers and inductors, which in my limited experience with Carnhills impart a tone closer to many vintage American transformers than something like Cinemag, Jensen, or Sowter. It does puzzle me (memory again, may be wrong) the AML goes with the original stock frequency points, with no additions. FWIW.
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Post by jayson on Oct 3, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -6
I'm a bit late to this thread but I'll give the Analog Allstars a tip of the hat as well. I went on a bit of a tear and built four of 'em. They're pretty easy and fun to build; all those Wima caps make for a great filter section that puts a grin on my face each time I've put one together.
I don't know how it would stack up to a real Pultec; I don't have access to one, but they are real satisfying to use. Given the price point it's not an unreasonable proposition to fill a lunchbox with them. The fact that you get to build it is icing on the cake.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 3, 2017 21:31:48 GMT -6
what about the eq in the forum classified ? I talked to the guy selling them, and they seem pretty awesome. If I was still on the hunt myself, Id definitely consider it.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 4, 2017 7:36:54 GMT -6
The AML's I believe use Carnhill transformers and inductors, which in my limited experience with Carnhills impart a tone closer to many vintage American transformers than something like Cinemag, Jensen, or Sowter. It does puzzle me (memory again, may be wrong) the AML goes with the original stock frequency points, with no additions. FWIW. Yep, original frequency points only -- it seems like Colin avoids modifying the original designs as much as possible (AML 2254a is another example). And yes, it also uses Carnhill in/out/interstage transformers and inductors. Stock tubes are JJ Audio..... which seem fine, but I'm going to try some other options sooner or later. Side note, the Warm version lacks the interstage transformer.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 5, 2017 6:48:08 GMT -6
The Lindell PEX-500 are pretty badass, I have two. Super affordable.
My KT-EQP pair are warming up right now I'll have some listening soon.
If I had some money I'd probably order the AML kit. As well as their 1073. I do quite like the Carnhill parts.
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