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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2017 3:30:00 GMT -6
Thought I would start a thread about moving up from 8 converters to 16 for using with the delta board and OB stuff, so sort of a little what's happening blog. Although I was thinking about that apogee 16x16 card, an alesis or radar 24 track system, cooler heads prevailed, meaning Wiz's , not mine !! Wiz suggested I get an inexpensive 8x8 interface with adat out (new Behringer 8200) and hang it off the Symph mkii, just to get used to working with 16 i/o and the delta. If all goes well, can sell the 8200 and then move up was the idea. I found a new 8200 for $170 usd and received it yesterday. I hooked it up and was using it with the rode ntv I got recently and as Wiz suggested I would , was pleasantly surprised by the sound quality ( pre and conversion) of the 8200, certainly very useable. For less than 9 channel recording, I will use the Symph first, of course, but for playback and mix now I have 16 i/o AD DA and can insert using logic utility i/o plug out to the delta eqs like I wanted. I also wanted another 3-4 channels of stereo/dual mono compression to compliment what I already have and again at Wiz's suggestion, am looking at what Revive audio has, maybe a dbx166 and the art opto comp, neither are crazy money and come new modded. When the delta gets here, I will take everything out to my patchbay but, of course, if I get the 2 new comps I will already need more than 48 points: so the cabling imperative begins !  This morning I slaved the 8200 to the Symph and although I can see signal on the 8200 led it is not passing, but I only have 1 adat cable so was thinking if slaved maybe I need 2 ? Or maybe I missed a setting in the Sympth as this is all new to me? More later ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2017 7:39:29 GMT -6
ok, call me a british gear snob but I caved and grabbed a tl audio c-1 off ebay, original tubes and well priced, more features than the Art or dbx. Also faceplate is a groovy blue color: a critical compression factor I'll probably still get Audio Revival dbx166. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 15, 2017 10:08:32 GMT -6
Hey I suggested the Behringer in a PM remember!
OK here's a big suggestion Start buying real patchbays now !
They are cheap used and so much cheaper if you start small!
Plus you save rack space with TT!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2017 10:41:25 GMT -6
I luv u 2 ericn, but you know how those ozzie bromances are so sensitive ! ya I may just do the switch to 96 TT ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2017 16:35:18 GMT -6
Installed the 2nd toslink adat cable and of course my output showed up fine, so ada8200 slaved to symphony all 8 digitalchannels working perfectly Tested with Voice I channel at a time, so obviously if I had daw channels inserted they would go to delta and back just fine Looks like delta will show next week The behringer ada8200 seems well behaved so far, pres usable as well, turns out AudiocRevival mods it for not much dough |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 15, 2017 19:26:37 GMT -6
You don't have your board yet?? You're in for a treat if so.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 15, 2017 19:27:50 GMT -6
Forget the converters. I'd take my old piece of shit Ghost and the lowliest converters to feed it any day.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 15, 2017 20:50:31 GMT -6
Soon and yes that's what Wiz and Ericn said and the ada8200 seems fine. I Am really looking forward to using the delta and my OB!
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Post by ericn on Sept 15, 2017 20:53:55 GMT -6
Soon and yes that's what Wiz and Ericn said and the ada8200 seems fine. I Am really looking forward to using the delta and my OB! Just don't clock it via ADAT! The word clock BNC is your friend!! |
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Post by wiz on Sept 15, 2017 22:23:05 GMT -6
Soon and yes that's what Wiz and Ericn said and the ada8200 seems fine. I Am really looking forward to using the delta and my OB! Just don't clock it via ADAT! The word clock BNC is your friend!! I have had mine clocked via adat for years .... what's the issue? cheers Wiz |
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Post by ragan on Sept 15, 2017 23:06:16 GMT -6
Wait, it's getting the clock signal or it isn't, right?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 16, 2017 1:22:54 GMT -6
Little net search came up with this:
"When using short Adat cables, it probably hardly makes a difference. On longer connections, ADAT cables can introduce some jitter, so there BNC is preferred i'd say."
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 16, 2017 6:37:54 GMT -6
Just don't clock it via ADAT! The word clock BNC is your friend!! I have had mine clocked via adat for years .... what's the issue? cheers Wiz I'm told BNC is a more stable protocol Ragan. Category 5 tried to explain it to me once but it sounded like he was speaking a foreign language. I just trusted him lol. |
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 16, 2017 7:06:30 GMT -6
I'll add that I recently added extra I/O to my studio as well, and chose the Focusrite Clarett Octopre. I think it's excellent! Check the Sound On Sound review.
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Post by ericn on Sept 16, 2017 11:26:11 GMT -6
I have had mine clocked via adat for years .... what's the issue? cheers Wiz I'm told BNC is a more stable protocol Ragan. Category 5 tried to explain it to me once but it sounded like he was speaking a foreign language. I just trusted him lol. I have always noticed a sonic improvement when switching from Clocking via ADAT to BNC and systems have just been more stable. Part of it maybe the use of decent BNC cables T connectors and proper termination. I remember a manufacturer once telling me that it seamed like the ADAT protocol and original chips treated the Word Clock like a second cousin twice removed rather than an important part of the digital interface. The other thing with ADAT is don't get caught up in expensive glass Toslink cables, Glass works best with glass transmitters and receivers. ADAT transmitters and recieviers are all plastic and they preform better with cheap plastic fiber cables! |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 16, 2017 14:51:47 GMT -6
Soon and yes that's what Wiz and Ericn said and the ada8200 seems fine. I Am really looking forward to using the delta and my OB! A preview of what's in store for you. Are you really sure you want to go down this path?  This was during our more chaotic period a few years ago. Things are a little more 'Feng Shui' these days (someone's wife got involved  )... though I confess I did kind of like the old vibe a little! |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 16, 2017 14:56:20 GMT -6
Wait, it's getting the clock signal or it isn't, right? jitter. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 16, 2017 15:20:21 GMT -6
Soon and yes that's what Wiz and Ericn said and the ada8200 seems fine. I Am really looking forward to using the delta and my OB! A preview of what's in store for you. Are you really sure you want to go down this path? This was during our more chaotic period a few years ago. Things are a little more 'Feng Shui' these days (someone's wife got involved )... though I confess I did kind of like the old vibe a little! only worry when you start thinkin about screwing a toslink cable into the ceiling joists and wrapping the other end round your throat, until then, its all good ! |
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Post by ragan on Sept 16, 2017 15:25:24 GMT -6
Wait, it's getting the clock signal or it isn't, right? jitter. I didn't know jitter was cable dependent. Thought it was a factor of clock/device design and implementation. |
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)... though I confess I did kind of like the old vibe a little!