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Post by viciousbliss on Aug 25, 2017 21:30:23 GMT -6
Grabbed this the other day after a quick demo. There is something special about it. Smooth, big, and clear but it can be a bit much. Most of the time I'm liking it better but there was one mix I tried it on where Analog Channel 202 in its default settings was better. HT seemed to narrow the stereo field on that mix for some reason. I should integrate more of Saverio's plugins. I've tried some. Deelay was quite good. Analog Stage does some cool things. HT has the settings of most of the other tape plugs, so it's another flavor of the familiar.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 26, 2017 20:44:40 GMT -6
I have never tried the Hornet plugins.. how are they sound quality wise and which are your favorite?
Compared to other tape emulations how do you rank this? Black rooster audio just came out with a tape plug as well called magnetite , looks great, I am interested in trying it out. I am not a big tape plugin guy lol.
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Post by viciousbliss on Aug 27, 2017 0:28:37 GMT -6
As I'm sure you've figured out long ago, I'm always changing up my workflow. Just sidelined Airwindows Console4 and went back to Waverider and got better results. Airwindows stuff is cool but I just don't want to watch 30+ min videos on every plugin in order to figure out the best way to use them. Also, no DAW really uses post-fader inserts on tracks, which is what Console4 is supposed to work on. I tried ditching busses and not putting plugs on the master fader. Also got better results except where the buss was providing a vital thing like ReelADT over all the vocals. Saverio takes into account aliasing and other things discussed in the analysis thread, Hornet plugins oversample. Mainly I've just experimented with the 3 I listed. Deelay could probably replace Ultrareverb's 80s Synth preset and CLAEffect's Throw Delay for me if I needed it to. I'm sure everything is at least decent. When I use them, I'm not feeling like I'm using an inferior brand or anything. It's just a matter of I already bought stuff like Bx_Console and use that. I've tried supplementing that with the Acustica Pink CM free EQ and it can be of help. Uses a lot of cpu though. The downside to Hornet demos is that they cut out every 5 seconds and not at a uniform time. So I had one tape cutting out then a few seconds later the next one cuts out, etc.
As far as ranking tape emus, let's see. Can't include Tapedesk bc it is so much more than a tape plug and absolutely vital. These tape plugs often sound so different from each other too. I'd rank NLS far above any Tape emu. Magnetite can be a bit much. I need to try it again without Console4, so a reevaluation is in order. Definitely smooths things and eats hisses from vocals. I'd try Avid Reeltape but there's no free demo.
Tier 1:
Analog Channel 202
Hornet
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Magnetite
Satin
Kramer
Softube
VTM
Phoenix(maybe tier 1, won't own this until price is reasonable)
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Tier 3:
J37
ToTape 5
Reelbus
Roundtone
Nomad Magnetic
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 27, 2017 14:38:26 GMT -6
viciousbliss Thanks so much for the great post! Will definitely check out some hornet stuff although the sound cutting out sounds very annoying... Also thanks for your rankings on the tape emu.. I have never been one to use them, I always thought it was gimmicky and honestly need to test some of them to see what I " hear " ... I think I have Kramer Tape and NLS, but not any of the others, and admittedly never got along with them. Will have to revisit 😀 Like you say our workflow is always developing as well as our ears and experience and I think this plays a huge part in how we perceive quality of said plugins.. 7 years ago on untrained ears I had chorus effects inserted on Ld vox.. now the mix was always 50% or so so the main vocal still was most present but I always liked the sound.. then...lol. Funny, Now when I hear some of that stuff I laugh at myself.. does it sound bad .. no ... but overdone and needed a send / return instead of insert.. in fact it was the perfect thing to beef up a ld vox for a client yesterday 😂
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Post by robertg on Sept 1, 2017 8:10:50 GMT -6
I gotta say this HornNet Tape plug is great. Quality wise, it's up there with Soft Tube Tape but sounds different. A bargain and lower on DSP than Soft Tube Tape.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 4, 2017 20:09:39 GMT -6
True to the hardware, you really have to watch your input levels on a lot of tape sims— Kramer Master Tape and J37 in particular, this can rear its head on your master buss in particular.
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 5, 2017 21:25:24 GMT -6
Glad you liked the info, Chase. The J37 seems the most sensitive to input levels of all. On stuff recorded with more modern, sleak styles in mind, i find that the tape plugs are easier to use. It's a lot different than say taking a 1980s real album stem from a famous album and trying to make the vocal I recorded fit that production style. NLS is real important there with the drive set around 6. With some modern session with a Bruno Marsish singer, I found that I didnt really need NLS much after using AC202 and Tapedesk. I've largely dropped busses and putting plugs on the master fader. It's also true that hornet tape doesn't seem to push cpu anymore than AC202. At least at 96k on setups using a 6700 and dual x5670. The dual 5670 actually scored 1136 in multi-core for me. Sorta like a Ryzen 1700 with 30% less single core speed. This is with turbo boost on for the first time. Pro Tools 12 works better not listening to avid about hyperthreading and turbo boost. Going back to waverider over console4, I'll try to do another trial of Phoenix so I can see how it fares with Oxford limiter and Tapedesk. At the least Dave Hill should sell a non-dsp version for around $100. I cant imagine many people are dropping $449 on it.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 5, 2017 22:50:35 GMT -6
DAMMIT, every time I pass this thread I can't help but think if a roll of gaffer tape with alternating black and yellow stripes!
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