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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 17, 2017 1:42:44 GMT -6
What all do I need to make this happen? I know I need a matrix of some kind, just don't really know where to start. I want to be able to use pedals in front or even effects loops on the amps. How are most studios running these lines to the cabs in the other rooms? Do they run it into a special switcher and do you need something between the amp and cab besides a switcher, I might need to run these lines at least 40-50 feet.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 17, 2017 2:31:42 GMT -6
What all do I need to make this happen? I know I need a matrix of some kind, just don't really know where to start. I want to be able to use pedals in front or even effects loops on the amps. How are most studios running these lines to the cabs in the other rooms? Do they run it into a special switcher and do you need something between the amp and cab besides a switcher, I might need to run these lines at least 40-50 feet. Matrix? Naw, man. All you need is a way to run a speaker cable. I don't know what kind of studio you're dealing with, but in the old days in the big pro studios there were usually patch panels than ran connections through the walls. You'd plug the cab in the live room side panel and plug the head in the control room side panel, making sure that you NEVER have a tube amp turned on without a proper load terminating it, as tube amps seriously don't like operating unloaded. If you're dealing with a home studio without proper isolation doors with seals just run the cable under the door. Why would you need a matrix or a switcher? 40 or 50 feet of good quality, heavy speaker cable is no problem. I prefer #12, but #14 will work in most cases for guitar. |
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Post by ragan on Aug 17, 2017 8:16:54 GMT -6
I do it all the time, sometimes more like 70'. Works just as it should.
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Post by svart on Aug 17, 2017 12:22:08 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Aug 17, 2017 12:28:11 GMT -6
And I'll say that it's a great thing to do. You can monitor through your gear and hear exactly what is coming from your setup and tweak the amp without blowing your ears out. It's especially helpful when you need to find tones to fit mixes.
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 18, 2017 1:19:07 GMT -6
Thanks guys! Svart, thanks for the details.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 16, 2017 16:51:43 GMT -6
Tape Op, did a article on my joint in 2008 specifically about my amplifier wall.
"In capturing these great guitar sounds, you pioneered a few unique and unusual techniques along the way.
Can you elaborate on some of these, like your in-the-control-room guitar amp head/studio cab/combo /and multi-mic set up?
My reply...
"I basically built a shelf, that held 12 assorted amplifier heads, they were all wired to a 1/4 inch bay (made by Redco Audio)
There was also a output bay that allowed us to wire a total of 4 heads, to 4 speaker cabinets.
So we could plug in a guitar, pick a head, (or two) and choose any of the 4 speaker cabinets to record in a matter of seconds.
Many times we would record a few cabs at a time.
So each morning before a guitar / overdub session, I would pick heads from my collection (of over 55, at that time) specifically suited for that project and we'd be ready to go for the day....
Changing sounds, was a matter of minutes!
I would set up 4 different cabinets, in 4 different spaces in my room, using multiple mic's on each, wire them back to the console, and be ready to go for any sound required on that project.
Simply put,
This was born from the need to get things done as quick as possible, and have great choices along the way.
Even our mutual buddy DonR loved it when he and BOC recorded at my place.
I must say, it was ahead of it's time and saved me hours, and hours, of time during sessions.
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 18, 2017 15:10:00 GMT -6
Tape Op, did a article on my joint in 2008 specifically about my amplifier wall. "In capturing these great guitar sounds, you pioneered a few unique and unusual techniques along the way. Can you elaborate on some of these, like your in-the-control-room guitar amp head/studio cab/combo /and multi-mic set up? My reply... "I basically built a shelf, that held 12 assorted amplifier heads, they were all wired to a 1/4 inch bay (made by Redco Audio) There was also a output bay that allowed us to wire a total of 4 heads, to 4 speaker cabinets. So we could plug in a guitar, pick a head, (or two) and choose any of the 4 speaker cabinets to record in a matter of seconds. Many times we would record a few cabs at a time. So each morning before a guitar / overdub session, I would pick heads from my collection (of over 55, at that time) specifically suited for that project and we'd be ready to go for the day.... Changing sounds, was a matter of minutes! I would set up 4 different cabinets, in 4 different spaces in my room, using multiple mic's on each, wire them back to the console, and be ready to go for any sound required on that project. Simply put, This was born from the need to get things done as quick as possible, and have great choices along the way. Even our mutual buddy DonR loved it when he and BOC recorded at my place. I must say, it was ahead of it's time and saved me hours, and hours, of time during sessions. I don't have near 55 heads...lol. I do have my staples though for my clean tone, in between, and lead tones or heavy rhythm crunch. Inserting pedals in the control room either in front or in back. A lot of my tone comes directly from the guitar, cable, amp itself. Yes, I believe in different cables giving you slightly different tones, I'm a believer because I actually heard differences in different cables. I do experiment from time to time with distortion pedals for that slightly different thing. I have only a few that I switch around from time to time. I was looking at a switcher so I can use any head with any cab by a flick of a switch without loosing any signal. I was looking at maybe even a JDI-7. Playing live is a different thing all together, but in the studio I just need fast and done. I just hope something like this wouldn't change my tone or response too much.  |
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Post by christopher on Oct 22, 2017 22:13:20 GMT -6
It's looks like you want to select different cabs after the amp head.
So basically I think you want a speaker selector? I think that's the way to go, as putting stuff on the guitar cable side of the chain is easy to hear tonal changes. Speaker cables don't seem to mess up the tone very bad, so putting a selector shouldn't be bad. As long as it's using quality parts. My paranoia that the affordable ones probably suck meant that I did research and made DIY selector for my monitors. It turned out to be invisible sounding to me. I haven't tried for guitar amps, should be the same approach I think.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 23, 2017 22:11:46 GMT -6
Vibration from the speaker cabinet into the head can be a big part of the sound. I've tried everything imaginable and what worked best, much to my surprise, was a Nady wireless setup.
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 23, 2017 22:24:59 GMT -6
I used to play at this one venue. I had a peavey Classic 30 modded combined with a Closet Classic Relic Strat, sold the peavey to a friend...ugh. It was one of the best guitar amp tones I ever heard. The resonance and tone from that amp just floored me, and to this day I still miss that.
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