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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2017 7:45:43 GMT -6
I've been listening to a ton of modern mixes and they seem to have a lot in common. Besides the solid low end, most of them seem to have some kind of "mojo" that lacks in my mixes as well as mixes from non-top-professionals.
So my question is, does anyone know what else is done to the bass in modern pop/rock mixes that might be considered a trick?
Most of them have some kind of very low level chorus going on to widen them, but there also seems to be some kind of sub-harmonic thing going on that isn't the normal RennBass or sine supplementation things. Almost like the root note being played has a pure sub-harmonic following it. There also seems to be some kind of harmonic exciter on the top end too that adds some kind of sparkly sheen to the bass that I have not been able to get with distortion alone.
I've read that some mixers will use things like Lowender or LowAir to add some sub-harmonics, but do all the top professionals use something like this, or some other tricks?
listen to this Switchfoot bass at 0:47:
It's just plain larger than life but you'll need a sub or headphones that can reproduce low end well to hear the sub-harmonics.
That's a TLA mix BTW. I think he's much better than his brother for the most part.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 11, 2017 7:59:18 GMT -6
Pull your DI bass track into Melodyne. Export as midi. Take that and create a gritty synth channel. You've got to work with it a bit, but if you tuck it under the bass it can really make things solid. You've got to mess with eq for a bit in order to make it work.
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Post by M57 on Aug 11, 2017 8:32:33 GMT -6
In Logic, there should be no need for Melodyne - You should be able to engage Flex Pitch on the track - set all to "perfect pitch," then "create midi track" from flex.
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Post by joseph on Aug 11, 2017 9:14:13 GMT -6
For harmonics,
SansAmp
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Post by svart on Aug 11, 2017 10:38:00 GMT -6
That only produces higher harmonics. I'm looking specifically for sub harmonics.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 11, 2017 12:09:50 GMT -6
The Billy Decker mixing thread specifically talks about dumping all the fundamental frequencies. I guess you can do that and the regenerate from the second harmonics for something different.
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Post by joseph on Aug 11, 2017 13:35:22 GMT -6
That only produces higher harmonics. I'm looking specifically for sub harmonics. You did say harmonic exciter, which as you know changes perception/masking of sub harmonics. Furman punch 10 or dbx 120 are the classics for low end You could also use a resonant filter
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Post by strangeways on Aug 12, 2017 10:33:00 GMT -6
I recently started using the Soundtoys Mini Microshift on my bass DI. I set the mix at about 11:00, focus to about 1:00, detune to minimum and delay to tight. It'll bump your volume a bit, so readjust your fader so you're getting the same output to your 2bus/aux, and then mess with the focus and mix a bit til you get what you're looking for. Def does something cool in the sub, and makes the bass sit a bit better without having to boost with eq.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 12, 2017 20:39:49 GMT -6
I recently started using the Soundtoys Mini Microshift on my bass DI. I set the mix at about 11:00, focus to about 1:00, detune to minimum and delay to tight. It'll bump your volume a bit, so readjust your fader so you're getting the same output to your 2bus/aux, and then mess with the focus and mix a bit til you get what you're looking for. Def does something cool in the sub, and makes the bass sit a bit better without having to boost with eq. Watch out for phase ...
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 12, 2017 23:00:37 GMT -6
That only produces higher harmonics. I'm looking specifically for sub harmonics. Which most speakers can't really reproduce anyway. I'd be more inclinded to look at something like Waves' MaxxBass than sub harmonics. Addition of the correct series and proportions of low upper harmonics witll create the illusion of lower frequencies that really aren't there.
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Post by svart on Aug 14, 2017 13:00:47 GMT -6
That only produces higher harmonics. I'm looking specifically for sub harmonics. Which most speakers can't really reproduce anyway. I'd be more inclinded to look at something like Waves' MaxxBass than sub harmonics. Addition of the correct series and proportions of low upper harmonics witll create the illusion of lower frequencies that really aren't there. Yeah I mentioned that(RennBass, same as MaxxBass in that it does missing fundamental supplementation) in my first post. I've done that, but it's not replicating what I'm hearing. It's definitely a sub-harmonic thing because I can turn off my subwoofer and it disappears. Octave-up and/or missing fundamental wouldn't disappear when the sub is turned off.
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Post by popmann on Aug 14, 2017 14:39:11 GMT -6
I wasn't going to chime in, because lord knows I know not from "modern X mixing" ....but, the track you linked is a second bass track. The domV chord (right before the drums kick in) is the low open B(maj-root) on a five string bass--and from the tone, one that was overdubbed, as it's not the "Stingray 4" that is the bass sound for the rest of the tune. Whether the synths double it at that moment isn't why your woofers move. LowB's fundamental will wobble woofers...nearing DC..... Hope that helps.
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