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Post by ericn on Aug 9, 2017 19:32:34 GMT -6
OK having spent over 2 years of my life in a hospital including last Thursday-Monday plus having hospital bills in the millions. 1 health insurance like any insurance spreads the risk over many rather than the individual covering it all, in other words that bureaucratic nightmare is why I can afford to eat! 2 We can't speak to what a public option would cover since no one has put one forward but there would have to be limits. 3. Malpractice isn't quite the big deal you think it is and like all of us doctors fuck up and when they do it can screw up somebodies life big time! My wife is currently involved in a lawsuit because a MD bit off more than she could handle and while it's a pain it's a great teaching moment. Also say you win a million dollar settlement, your lawyer takes at least a 1/3 then your health insurance wants what ever it payed out for the resulting care. Not much left . I'll put it at a MD ordering tests on a 10% chance , which is OK for what I'm mostly hospitalized for I'm 10 percent of 10 percent of the cases. 4 The interruptions, well if things worked like they should it can be a lot better organized, but there are rules and the rules are there because shit happens and when it's your loved one.... Also the nurse and the tech can cut down & combine trips to your room but, I just say over the years I'll just apologize for screwing that up, for instance Sunday night my blood sugar went low and the Nurse had to stay with me till it was back to normal took 40min. where she was just in my room, now the solution would be more nurses but there already is a shortage. I'm not saying your wrong just it's complex. I'd like to add to your point Eric, if I may. I work in healthcare, it's my "other" profession and has been for 5 years now. There have been a lot of good points made here, by a lot of different people and I'd just like to say this: Healthcare is an incredibly complex system. There are hundreds of interlocking pieces. There is no one solution or one problem. It's not insurance premiums, or malpractice insurance or prescription drug prices...it's everything. There are FDA regulations, pharmaceutical interests, medical device manufacturers, insurance companies, hospital systems, kick backs and payolla, over regulation and under regulation (in different places), the education system, medical boards, unions and more. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's so much too it, and so many competing interests that few people are really qualified to come up with system wide solutions. I am not one of those people. I know just enough to realize I know very little. So what is the point of my post? I'm not sure, just food for thought. Just something everyone should think about in connection to this debate. Btw, we hate waking people at 4am too, but it's sometimes necessary. However, next time you're in the hospital ask your nurse to let you sleep, communicate that to the allied health folks taking care of you. Most of us are more than happy to skip less important tasks to let you sleep, and you do have the right to refuse treatment. If you want the really good drugs have to deal with those late night wake ups and during a pancreatitis attach those extra 50 of Fentynol are worth it especially if you time it right!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 9, 2017 20:40:40 GMT -6
My dad spent a year in the hospital because someone failed to sterilize the screws in his hip plate and it was not considered malpractice. The insurance company tried to slide out of paying and my dad's union had to threaten to move their group policy to stop them from not covering him.
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Post by spindrift on Aug 9, 2017 20:48:39 GMT -6
If you want your blood to boil, check out this very thorough site and this Doctor's video lectures: www.truecostofhealthcare.netI've never seen anyone explain the US healthcare debacle in such clear terms.
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Post by ericn on Aug 9, 2017 21:06:20 GMT -6
My dad spent a year in the hospital because someone failed to sterilize the screws in his hip plate and it was not considered malpractice. The insurance company tried to slide out of paying and my dad's union had to threaten to move their group policy to stop them from not covering him. Did I mention 4 of my closest friends are a VP of an insurance Company, CFO of a Acute Care Center, Malpractice lawyer, & A Medical Govt Compliance Company? And me Professional Patient π
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 9, 2017 21:08:21 GMT -6
RE the topic at hand. I have a good money gig that allows me to engineer/produce on the side. I never expect to make any real money out of it...it's just for the love of the art and music. This is exactly where I'm at.
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Post by ericn on Aug 9, 2017 21:29:16 GMT -6
RE the topic at hand. I have a good money gig that allows me to engineer/produce on the side. I never expect to make any real money out of it...it's just for the love of the art and music. This is exactly where I'm at. Sad part is I probably had one of the best paying / benefits Audio gigs in My gearpimp days π©
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Post by spindrift on Aug 9, 2017 21:46:55 GMT -6
My dad spent a year in the hospital because someone failed to sterilize the screws in his hip plate and it was not considered malpractice. The insurance company tried to slide out of paying and my dad's union had to threaten to move their group policy to stop them from not covering him. Did I mention 4 of my closest friends are a VP of an insurance Company, CFO of a Acute Care Center, Malpractice lawyer, & A Medical Govt Compliance Company? And me Professional Patient π Everyone loves the idea of healthcare reform until it impacts their bottom line....and there's a ton of money being made by a lot of people in the healthcare industry.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 9, 2017 22:21:55 GMT -6
RE the topic at hand. I have a good money gig that allows me to engineer/produce on the side. I never expect to make any real money out of it...it's just for the love of the art and music. This is exactly where I'm at. +1.
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Post by jimwilliams on Aug 10, 2017 10:57:55 GMT -6
By far the largest cause of deaths in the USA is medical mistakes or malpractice. It causes 1/2 million to die here every year, yet you hear nothing about that.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 10, 2017 19:12:47 GMT -6
This is exactly where I'm at. +1. indiehouse spindrift But you guys charge for Mixes right ? If y'all are not in it too make money or feed your fam pass those clients along to those of us without steady paying jobs please and thanks π€ π . . . . This is a joke ( don't want anyone offended )
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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2017 19:26:55 GMT -6
Medical Industry is complicated, no doubt, but a racket indeed. A couple of years ago, a 4 Hour trip to the hospital for a kidney stone cost more than my entire year's tax return bottom line. That's just not right.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 10, 2017 19:54:21 GMT -6
indiehouse spindrift But you guys charge for Mixes right ? If y'all are not in it too make money or feed your fam pass those clients along to those of us without steady paying jobs please and thanks π€ π . . . . This is a joke ( don't want anyone offended ) Comedy is not your forte. Good thing you're not in the biz.
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Post by ericn on Aug 10, 2017 19:55:24 GMT -6
By far the largest cause of deaths in the USA is medical mistakes or malpractice. It causes 1/2 million to die here every year, yet you hear nothing about that. I love you Jim but No, not even close.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Aug 10, 2017 22:30:15 GMT -6
By far the largest cause of deaths in the USA is medical mistakes or malpractice. It causes 1/2 million to die here every year, yet you hear nothing about that. I love you Jim but No, not even close. Not too far off according to NPR: "Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. On the CDC's official list, that would rank just behind heart disease and cancer, which each took about 600,000 lives in 2014, and in front of respiratory disease, which caused about 150,000 deaths."
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Post by ericn on Aug 11, 2017 7:37:06 GMT -6
I love you Jim but No, not even close. Not too far off according to NPR: "Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. On the CDC's official list, that would rank just behind heart disease and cancer, which each took about 600,000 lives in 2014, and in front of respiratory disease, which caused about 150,000 deaths." If that is the study I'm thinking of it includes such things infections and blood clots and other complications. It also included a large number of patients who went against recommended care. Dr's and other providers do screw up, I never new how much somebody else could be inconvenienced by a MD's screw up on somebody they have never met!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 11, 2017 20:40:48 GMT -6
indiehouse spindrift But you guys charge for Mixes right ? If y'all are not in it too make money or feed your fam pass those clients along to those of us without steady paying jobs please and thanks π€ π . . . . This is a joke ( don't want anyone offended ) Comedy is not your forte. Good thing you're not in the biz. How did you manage to get that offended π€¦ββοΈπ« Wow haha . . . Oh yeah and Pro Tools and hybrid mixing is definitely not your forte haha.. You are the same one who can't run pro tools and hardware inserts or figure out delay compensation or latency.. I would be mad too if I couldn't figure out something so simple.. Who needs comedy, when the truth is hilarious π€£π
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 11, 2017 22:23:27 GMT -6
Comedy is not your forte. Good thing you're not in the biz. How did you manage to get that offended π€¦ββοΈπ« Wow haha . . . Oh yeah and Pro Tools and hybrid mixing is definitely not your forte haha.. You are the same one who can't run pro tools and hardware inserts or figure out delay compensation or latency.. I would be mad too if I couldn't figure out something so simple.. Who needs comedy, when the truth is hilarious π€£π Dude. Sigh. Classy.
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Post by ragan on Aug 11, 2017 22:29:10 GMT -6
By far the largest cause of deaths in the USA is medical mistakes or malpractice. It causes 1/2 million to die here every year, yet you hear nothing about that. A million or two car accident fatalities annually and more than a half million cancer deaths. Malpractice deaths are somewhere between 200k and 400k depending on what resaearch you like. That makes them 7th to 3rd or something. That is a far cry from "by far the largest".
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Post by ragan on Aug 11, 2017 22:33:59 GMT -6
Comedy is not your forte. Good thing you're not in the biz. How did you manage to get that offended π€¦ββοΈπ« Wow haha . . . Oh yeah and Pro Tools and hybrid mixing is definitely not your forte haha.. You are the same one who can't run pro tools and hardware inserts or figure out delay compensation or latency.. I would be mad too if I couldn't figure out something so simple.. Who needs comedy, when the truth is hilarious π€£π Wow, dude. That's some middle school playground stuff there. A million emojis and hahahas don't make being a tool into not being a tool.
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Post by wiz on Aug 12, 2017 0:36:04 GMT -6
Let's not have this place end up like the purple site.
Never a need for personal insults
Wiz
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 12, 2017 2:55:53 GMT -6
Let's not have this place end up like the purple site. Never a need for personal insults Wiz Never have been rude to that guy ever, always tried to help him, even with his Apollo & PT rig and he always is short and condescending, tells me he doesn't need help when he is clearly asking. No one else took offense to my post and there are many others here who have a full time gig that pays them well and do music on the side.. they also charge for recording and he was the only one to take offense say some sarcastic retort ( for no reason ) .. Treat others with respect and how I want to be treated in life and here on RGO... I didn't name call ... unlike ragan calling me a tool π Love you too
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 12, 2017 3:00:46 GMT -6
How did you manage to get that offended π€¦ββοΈπ« Wow haha . . . Oh yeah and Pro Tools and hybrid mixing is definitely not your forte haha.. You are the same one who can't run pro tools and hardware inserts or figure out delay compensation or latency.. I would be mad too if I couldn't figure out something so simple.. Who needs comedy, when the truth is hilarious π€£π Wow, dude. That's some middle school playground stuff there. A million emojis and hahahas don't make being a tool into not being a tool. Never ever have disrespected you, called you outside your name, and have always tried to help you as well. Good to know how you actually feel about someone you don't even know who has always shown you and treated you with upmost respect ... I must have really said something that bothered you considering this had zero to do with you, and wasn't even an issue. but you had to had to jump in and take Up for your buddy.. I'm the tool tho haha have a smiley face emoji π
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Post by ragan on Aug 12, 2017 7:50:19 GMT -6
Wow, dude. That's some middle school playground stuff there. A million emojis and hahahas don't make being a tool into not being a tool. Never ever have disrespected you, called you outside your name, and have always tried to help you as well. Good to know how you actually feel about someone you don't even know who has always shown you and treated you with upmost respect ... I must have really said something that bothered you considering this had zero to do with you, and wasn't even an issue. but you had to had to jump in and take Up for your buddy.. I'm the tool tho haha have a smiley face emoji π Yes, that's right. I found your attempted dress-down of Indiehouse immature and out of line. Doesn't mean it's how I "actually feel" about you but it does mean it's how I actually feel about that post. I've told the best of my lifelong buddies, on occasion, "dude, you were being a dick" and they've, thankfully, done the same for me. The thing to do is to, without knee-jerking into melodrama, just admit "yeah, I was outta line". Calm honesty works wonders in my experience.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 13, 2017 4:16:16 GMT -6
Medical Industry is complicated, no doubt, but a racket indeed. A couple of years ago, a 4 Hour trip to the hospital for a kidney stone cost more than my entire year's tax return bottom line. That's just not right. But this is a far bigger racket if you can even begin to get your head around it. The numbers are beyond astounding.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 13, 2017 8:17:55 GMT -6
The more medical care costs, the more money the insurance industry "earns." Healthcare in the United States is an utterly classic insurance job.
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