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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 8:12:10 GMT -6
So a few years ago I sold all my 500 series gear with the thought that anything I wanted or needed was available in standard 19" or other rack gear. Also, when I compared 500 series modules to their direct/indirect 19" rack counterparts, the 500 series units seemed like "lesser than" versions.
But, a few items drew me back in:
1) CAPI VP28. This alone was the worth the price of admission for a rack. I now have four VP28's w/ various DOA combinations.
2) LaChapell 583s. Such a smooth and beautiful tube pre that is unlike any other tube pre I've tried, and I've tried a lot. It's just spectacular on acgtr and vocals.
QUESTION: What other 500 series modules provide something unavailable or superior to standard 19" rack configurations? The question here is not "convenience" but rather "usefulness" and "uniquness".
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 26, 2013 8:37:06 GMT -6
Maag EQ's and Pre's.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 8:39:08 GMT -6
Ah, yes. I've heard those are very cool. Been wanting to try them. If I remember right, it's the air band that's the real selling point. I'm always hesitant to dial in too much top end during tracking. Is this eq more of a mix tool? |
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Post by Ward on Jul 26, 2013 8:39:58 GMT -6
There's no question that there are compromises made between the regular versions and the 500 series. It's like they're light versions. Power supply/voltage limitations are present and some designers and techs have spoken to this.
And then there's the upside: There are also pieces of gear specifically designed for the 500 architecture like the API and the CAPI stuff. How many "channel strips" are available in the 500 format? I see a lot of separate preamp, EQ and Comp modules, but I'd like to know if there are enough 500 series modules with at least pre and EQ available to make it worth going down that path.
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2013 8:46:16 GMT -6
Interested in adding one or two of these, to start a 500 collection. I read on the LaChapell site that they require 210ma+ power. Can you recommend a good rack? It would suck to have power issues if you tried to fill the rack up. |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 8:49:27 GMT -6
There's no question that there are compromises made between the regular versions and the 500 series. It's like they're light versions. Power supply/voltage limitations are present and some designers and techs have spoken to this. And then there's the upside: There are also pieces of gear specifically designed for the 500 architecture like the API and the CAPI stuff. How many "channel strips" are available in the 500 format? I see a lot of separate preamp, EQ and Comp modules, but I'd like to know if there are enough 500 series modules with at least pre and EQ available to make it worth going down that path. AML ez1073 is a pre/eq...2 space unit. Sounds great. |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 8:50:33 GMT -6
Interested in adding one or two of these, to start a 500 collection. I read on the LaChapell site that they require 210ma+ power. Can you recommend a good rack? It would suck to have power issues if you tried to fill the rack up. I've not filled up my 51x rack yet but it's working great with the 583s. Previously, I used a BAE 11 space and that was fine too. |
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 26, 2013 9:10:34 GMT -6
GR Harrison EQ
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 26, 2013 9:13:47 GMT -6
API 550A (pure class A) , 5500 is a 550B Class A/B I think...
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 26, 2013 9:15:52 GMT -6
Avedis MA5
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 26, 2013 17:01:54 GMT -6
good thread bump!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 17:25:27 GMT -6
There's no question that there are compromises made between the regular versions and the 500 series. It's like they're light versions. Power supply/voltage limitations are present and some designers and techs have spoken to this. can you give some examples of compromises?, the aml 1073 is virtually identical in function and sound between the 19" rack version and 500 version, the 51x format has 24v rails to go with the 16v rails, I don't know of any versions available in both formats that are limited in the 500 series power wise or feature wise, that being said, you clearly have more room in a standard multi space rack to stuff tubes and greater feature sets, but for a single item eq, comp, pre, i see nothing that makes a 500 series unit light compared to a counter parts in standard config? let me be clear, i'm not saying it doesn't exist, i'm saying i'm not aware of it's existence. |
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 26, 2013 17:32:05 GMT -6
+/- 16 v rails give you 32v total.... and a Neve style uses 24v so plenty of headroom there.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 22:05:49 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on affordable HP/LP filter sets... not sure 500 series is the way to go.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 22:16:33 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on affordable HP/LP filter sets... not sure 500 series is the way to go. what are some of the un affordable ones sic? i'm totally ignorant to these, i usually just use a phase correcting eq ITB after tracking? id rather not though |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 22:22:41 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on affordable HP/LP filter sets... not sure 500 series is the way to go. what are some of the un affordable ones sic? i'm totally ignorant to these, i usually just use a phase correcting eq ITB after tracking? id rather not though this is one shinybox.com/product_info.php/products_id/93supposed to sound good but $500 for filters?! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 22:30:21 GMT -6
what are some of the un affordable ones sic? i'm totally ignorant to these, i usually just use a phase correcting eq ITB after tracking? id rather not though this is one shinybox.com/product_info.php/products_id/93supposed to sound good but $500 for filters?! that is pretty steep? In kit form, we could throw that together in an hour... oh jeff, where art thou? |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 22:32:44 GMT -6
that is pretty steep? In kit form, we could throw that together in an hour... oh jeff, where art thou? True. But I think that's a lot of real estate for a single HP/LP. Maybe this makes more sense in a single space 19" rack where you could get 4-8 channels. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 22:42:19 GMT -6
that is pretty steep? In kit form, we could throw that together in an hour... oh jeff, where art thou? True. But I think that's a lot of real estate for a single HP/LP. Maybe this makes more sense in a single space 19" rack where you could get 4-8 channels. total agreement, you got any leads on that? sorry for the momentary OT |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 26, 2013 22:47:36 GMT -6
Tony, In another thread on another forum someone mentioned a DIY for something like that. If I get more info I'll start a new thread about it.
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Post by BradM on Jul 27, 2013 18:25:12 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on affordable HP/LP filter sets... not sure 500 series is the way to go. What price point defines affordable? I have a design I'm debating what to do with. Brad |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 27, 2013 18:27:52 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on affordable HP/LP filter sets... not sure 500 series is the way to go. What price point defines affordable? I have a design I'm debating what to do with. Brad I'm thinking $200> per channel. Is that doable? I did find that DIY project and I think the total cost for parts was under $50/channel. Still trying to find out the quality. Dandeurloo makes a case for it at custom cases. |
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Post by BradM on Jul 27, 2013 18:34:50 GMT -6
It's really hard to bring a 500 series module to market for that amount and still have it be profitable without building ungodly quantities and using all off-shore manufacturing. A DIY kit is a different story, although if someone charges for their labor to build it for you, then you are starting to get up there. What if it had some extra bonus features and was like $350 fully built?
Brad
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 27, 2013 18:35:58 GMT -6
What price point defines affordable? I have a design I'm debating what to do with. Brad I'm thinking $200> per channel. Is that doable? I did find that DIY project and I think the total cost for parts was under $50/channel. Still trying to find out the quality. Dandeurloo makes a case for it at custom cases. What you got brad? Sic, where' that project? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 27, 2013 18:37:48 GMT -6
It's really hard to bring a 500 series module to market for that amount and still have it be profitable without building ungodly quantities and using all off-shore manufacturing. A DIY kit is a different story, although if someone charges for their labor to build it for you, then you are starting to get up there. What if it had some extra bonus features and was like $350 fully built? Brad It doesn't have to be 500, and $350 sounds great, details details!? |
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