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Post by ragan on Jul 21, 2017 22:34:49 GMT -6
Might I suggest you look at the used market? $2500 can buy a lot of used monitor, plus if it's not for you easy to turn with very little loss. Specifically....? I'm not aversed to used if it's an educated guess. New is better as I can easily swap but used is def not out of the question. 3/4 of my room is used gear I've bought.
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Post by ragan on Jul 22, 2017 9:32:27 GMT -6
I'm looking hard at the Adam a77x right now too.
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2017 9:47:02 GMT -6
Might I suggest you look at the used market? $2500 can buy a lot of used monitor, plus if it's not for you easy to turn with very little loss. Specifically....? I'm not aversed to used if it's an educated guess. New is better as I can easily swap but used is def not out of the question. 3/4 of my room is used gear I've bought. So many possibilities Quested H108, Focal BE, Entry level PMC & ATC. Hey I only paid $1500 for the H308's ! Used monitor market is so fluid !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 22, 2017 9:48:49 GMT -6
I agree, used is a better deal. My Avantone Abbey's are still available ;-)
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Post by ragan on Jul 25, 2017 23:37:39 GMT -6
Got a pair of Adam A77x and a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48 showing up here in a few days. I'll see which, if either, I dig.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 25, 2017 23:54:18 GMT -6
Got a pair of Adam A77x and a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48 showing up here in a few days. I'll see which, if either, I dig. Awesome man looking forward to how you get along with each.. Are you going to test them together or separate with best speaker position in the room?
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Post by ragan on Jul 26, 2017 0:01:31 GMT -6
Got a pair of Adam A77x and a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48 showing up here in a few days. I'll see which, if either, I dig. Awesome man looking forward to how you get along with each.. Are you going to test them together or separate with best speaker position in the room? I think I'll put one pair up at a time, in the best spot, and give them each some extended working hours. Go back and forth for awhile and see how I respond to each.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 26, 2017 0:30:05 GMT -6
That was my suggestion and def take some notes if you remember, they will come in handy! Enjoy and look forward to hearing more about the new monitors...
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2017 4:09:28 GMT -6
I have a pair of K&H 0300's I run off an Avocet.
They are good work horse studio monitors.
I WANT a pair of ATC SCM25A PRO's .... not going to happen at £7,500 a pair!!
I love ATC monitors, after 35 years of recording I have never heard a pair of monitors I prefer, I think ATC monitors are just blinking FANTASTIC.
One day .... one day :-)
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 26, 2017 5:43:04 GMT -6
Got a pair of Adam A77x and a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48 showing up here in a few days. I'll see which, if either, I dig. ragan, if you're into Adams, did you check out the HEDD monitors?
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Post by ragan on Jul 26, 2017 10:26:13 GMT -6
Got a pair of Adam A77x and a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48 showing up here in a few days. I'll see which, if either, I dig. ragan, if you're into Adams, did you check out the HEDD monitors? I have looked at them. It looks like they're about twice as much as I'm looking to spend though.
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Post by joseph on Jul 26, 2017 12:20:30 GMT -6
Specifically....? I'm not aversed to used if it's an educated guess. New is better as I can easily swap but used is def not out of the question. 3/4 of my room is used gear I've bought. So many possibilities Quested H108, Focal BE, Entry level PMC & ATC. Hey I only paid $1500 for the H308's ! Used monitor market is so fluid ! Yeah I got my powered Quested Q108Bs (preceded VS2108s) for $1500. Only maintenance I did was replacing the old tweeters because I accidentally fried them with input monitoring feedback. The replacement Morels were not too expensive and actually sound better, so I'm glad it happened. I paid the same for my KH120as new. They are good rugged portable monitors, translate well, albeit bit boxy when played too loud. The midrange of the Questeds is glorious.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 26, 2017 14:04:38 GMT -6
There's a HEDD monitor that's around $1850 I believe. My friend at Alto music raves about them.
Still, I had Adam Audio's A7X, and it smeared the high end and fatigued me. So it makes me wonder why the HEDD will be much better, since I believe it's the same designer. The Avantone Abbey does none of that.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 26, 2017 21:23:13 GMT -6
There's a HEDD monitor that's around $1850 I believe. My friend at Alto music raves about them. Still, I had Adam Audio's A7X, and it smeared the high end and fatigued me. So it makes me wonder why the HEDD will be much better, since I believe it's the same designer. The Avantone Abbey does none of that. I battled a pair of A7x's for over a year before I gave up and went back to my 10's with a sub setup... I'm again on the hunt and really want to try the new barefoots...
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Post by ericn on Jul 26, 2017 21:43:31 GMT -6
So many possibilities Quested H108, Focal BE, Entry level PMC & ATC. Hey I only paid $1500 for the H308's ! Used monitor market is so fluid ! Yeah I got my powered Quested Q108Bs (preceded VS2108s) for $1500. Only maintenance I did was replacing the old tweeters because I accidentally fried them with input monitoring feedback. The replacement Morels were not too expensive and actually sound better, so I'm glad it happened. I paid the same for my KH120as new. They are good rugged portable monitors, translate well, albeit bit boxy when played too loud. The midrange of the Questeds is glorious. The 108, such a simple speaker that sounds so good, but then I do love the Volt Drivers!
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Post by donr on Jul 26, 2017 22:13:27 GMT -6
I've touched on this before, but I believe personally I've done better mixing if not recording with monitors with known limitations and headroom.
Monitors with accurate response and huge headroom to my ear make everything sound better than what the recording will ultimately be listen to on. I have gotten fooled by really good monitors.
Pro engineers I started recording with were making good decisions from start to finish on Altec 604's.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 27, 2017 15:19:03 GMT -6
There's a HEDD monitor that's around $1850 I believe. My friend at Alto music raves about them. Still, I had Adam Audio's A7X, and it smeared the high end and fatigued me. So it makes me wonder why the HEDD will be much better, since I believe it's the same designer. The Avantone Abbey does none of that. I battled a pair of A7x's for over a year before I gave up and went back to my 10's with a sub setup... I'm again on the hunt and really want to try the new barefoots... I know someone with new Barefoots and the stands that are specially for them, that is not f you are talking about their newest, $3500 a pair model named the FootPrint 01 👣😀 Will be getting them up either today or Tom latest!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 27, 2017 15:42:53 GMT -6
I've touched on this before, but I believe personally I've done better mixing if not recording with monitors with known limitations and headroom. Monitors with accurate response and huge headroom to my ear make everything sound better than what the recording will ultimately be listen to on. I have gotten fooled by really good monitors. Pro engineers I started recording with were making good decisions from start to finish on Altec 604's. I think my base starting point will always be the 10's, but it would be really nice to have something to accurately check my fx returns and throws so I'm not just pissing into the wind and playing the guessing game. I feel like at this point, I know the 10's so well that it would be counter productive to think I could just be rid of them at some point. But I do indeed know their limitations.
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Post by duke on Jul 27, 2017 22:31:34 GMT -6
Monitors with accurate response and huge headroom to my ear make everything sound better than what the recording will ultimately be listen to on. I have gotten fooled by really good monitors. I've been trying to figure out "where the goal posts are" for project studio monitors, and, at the risk of over-generalizing, it seems such speakers fall into two broad categories:
- Monitors that are as accurate as possible given the constraints; and
- Monitors that are inaccurate in ways which encourage a mix that sounds really good on a wide variety of systems.
Seems to me the second kind is the more valuable tool, especially if the first kind can fool you into thinking your recording sounds better than it is going to out in the real world.
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Post by stevefreeman on Jul 29, 2017 12:11:50 GMT -6
Love my Focals
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Post by ragan on Aug 3, 2017 11:30:44 GMT -6
Been listening to the Dyn LYD 48's and Adam A77x's for a couple days now. I'm almost certain I'm keeping the LYD 48's but I wanna give it some more time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2017 11:31:57 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of PSI monitors -- the A17s are perfect for a smaller room. Call up Warren at zenpro --- he's a straight shooter and also sells Amphion and Dynaudio. Pretty sure he'd let you send them back too if you don't like them. Or PM your buddy John
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 3, 2017 19:32:09 GMT -6
Been listening to the Dyn LYD 48's and Adam A77x's for a couple days now. I'm almost certain I'm keeping the LYD 48's but I wanna give it some more time. Nice, now you need one of these to make them rock!!!! I've been looking at the same set since they were announced. Then I spent some time at a nice studio in Nashville and they had some smaller Dyn's, but with this management system connected. We turned it off and then turned it back on...It was absolutely ridiculous the amazing difference it made. If anything, you have to demo one if you can, but then you will want it!!
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Post by ericn on Aug 3, 2017 22:20:59 GMT -6
Been listening to the Dyn LYD 48's and Adam A77x's for a couple days now. I'm almost certain I'm keeping the LYD 48's but I wanna give it some more time. Nice, now you need one of these to make them rock!!!! View AttachmentI've been looking at the same set since they were announced. Then I spent some time at a nice studio in Nashville and they had some smaller Dyn's, but with this management system connected. We turned it off and then turned it back on...It was absolutely ridiculous the amazing difference it made. If anything, you have to demo one if you can, but then you will want it!! The Converters in the DBX driveracks are Garbage! Only DSP controllers that should be allowed on studio monitors are XTA & Dolby /Lake/ Clair!
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Post by ragan on Aug 3, 2017 22:56:49 GMT -6
That's it. I'm keeping the LYD 48s. I can't get off em. The detail is amazing. Image is just palpable, excellent phantom center. They are revealing and honest sounding. When I first fired them up I played some of my standard references. Started with Traveling Willburys "Handle With Care" and thought, "wow, that sounds good but these are pretty bright!" Went straight to the Eagles "New Kid in Town" and thought "uh, no they certainly are not, this is as smooth as it gets". Hit some Tom Petty "Swingin" and was like "wow, that is really friggin' snappy" and then fired up Tame Impala "Yes, I'm Changing" and it was deep and punchy as hell. Rufus Wainwright's "Going to a Town" and I was just grinning like an idiot.
I've been listening to all those records for years (well, Tame Impala 'Currents' only came out a couple years ago) and I'm aware of their sonic differences of course. But these LYD 48s sound like totally different speakers on each of them. I love that. The production choices are just jumping out at me making themselves plain as day. That's what I want out of a nearfield monitor. I want it to tell me the truth about what's going on.
I also love that the Dyns seem to sound exactly the same at lower volumes as they do cranked up. I found myself subconsciously turning up the Adams to try and get a clearer picture of what was going on.
I've played hours of music and hours of pink noise on both these Dyns and the Adams (A77x's) and, to me, the Dyns are just outperforming the Adams across the board. If it were closer, I'd give it more time. But everytime I fire up the Adams, I shake my head involuntarily and everytime I fire up the Dyns I smile involuntarily. I was rooting for the A77x's actually, cause I got an amazing deal on them (Proaudiostar) and they seemed like a fun change, plus they look like Batman's monitors. But they just don't have the detail of these LYD 48s. The various records sound more similar and more indistinct on the A77x's. The center/imaging isn't anywhere near as good (maybe I'm too close for such a large speaker?) and the lowend is much looser. On the Dyns, I'm going "ok, that's a J-Bass on the neck pickup..." where on the Adams I'm going "that's a nice full lowend...I have no idea what's going on, but it's nice and full..."
It's all subjective of course, but I am really impressed with these LYD 48s and they aren't leaving here.
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