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Post by drsax on Jun 9, 2017 16:28:09 GMT -6
New song with Zulu on the kick, snare, bass, LHS acoustic,Vocal, OOHS, and 2 buss The more I use it, the more I like it. cheers Wiz Sounds Great wiz - nice work!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 9, 2017 16:36:57 GMT -6
That song certainly sounds fine and completely pro!
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Post by wiz on Jun 9, 2017 17:04:33 GMT -6
New song with Zulu on the kick, snare, bass, LHS acoustic,Vocal, OOHS, and 2 buss The more I use it, the more I like it. cheers Wiz Sounds Great wiz - nice work! Thanks bud cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Jun 9, 2017 17:04:52 GMT -6
That song certainly sounds fine and completely pro! Thanks Kcat cheers Wiz
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Post by Guitar on Jun 9, 2017 18:21:40 GMT -6
Sounds great, Wiz. I love the space in the arrangement and the mix.
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Post by wiz on Jun 9, 2017 18:27:02 GMT -6
Sounds great, Wiz. I love the space in the arrangement and the mix. Thanks man... cheers Wiz
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Post by donr on Jun 9, 2017 19:40:58 GMT -6
Digging that tune, Peter. You're really hitting your stride as self produced artist.
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Post by wiz on Jun 9, 2017 20:15:54 GMT -6
Digging that tune, Peter. You're really hitting your stride as self produced artist. Thanks Don! Cheers Wiz
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Post by Quint on Jun 12, 2017 9:37:37 GMT -6
So what's the verdict on this thing? Is it going to replace tape for some of you guys?
I had been planning on probably picking up at least 8 channels of Zulu in the fall when the tracking units come out. However, I'm currently looking at a 16 track tape machine with brand new heads (not relapped, NEW) and completely modded by Jim Williams that I can buy locally for exactly the same price per channel as the Zulu. The Zulu obviously has different pros and cons compared to tape, as far as workflow goes, but I'm mainly interested in tone.
Does the Zulu live up to the hype? Is it just another "close but not quite" approximation or does it truly SOUND like tape?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 12, 2017 12:48:44 GMT -6
I know Wiz's "sound" well, and this track is easier on the ears. Not from being mellowed by compressors or reducing the highs with EQ. it just sits more comfortably, like tape made things sit.
The only way to know the answer to Quint's question might be to actually try it vs. tape, but also, it would have to be done by someone very familiar with it, so as to use the settings to get them as close as they can be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 12:59:30 GMT -6
I know Wiz's "sound" well, and this track is easier on the ears. Not from being mellowed by compressors or reducing the highs with EQ. it just sits more comfortably, like tape made things sit. The only way to know the answer to Quint's question might be to actually try it vs. tape, but also, it would have to be done by someone very familiar with it, so as to use the settings to get them as close as they can be. Agree - the vox sit really nicely in this track too - is that the Zulu effect?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 12, 2017 17:41:08 GMT -6
No the vocal sitting in the pocket and the song being easier to listen too is not attributed to just one piece of gear.. From what I know of Wiz 's workflow he reamps thru outboard and his console as well as analog pieces on the Mixbus; so just one piece out of all of those is not the deciding factor or the reason, however I'm sure it helped 🤠Wiz has good ears, has great recording and songwriting skills, know his space well so those are important factors too.. This is in no way intended to be a dig at the Zulu. If it was raw Vox only treated with Zulu and just Zulu on Mixbus compared to a non Zulu vocals and mix then one could say the sonic influences of Zulu are full in the blank here 😎
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Post by Quint on Jun 12, 2017 21:15:04 GMT -6
Hey Langston (or anyone else),
What are your thoughts on achieving the sound of a Tascam MS-16 (not MSR-16) with the Zulu? I know y'all modeled a different Tascam for the pro-fi deck, right? Most people seem to be trying to emulate sounds using the hi-fi deck but I'm curious about the pro-fi. There doesn't seem to be as much talk or many samples involving the pro-fi.
I know some people crap all over the Tascam machines or 1" 16 (or 1/2" 8 track) track in general but I happen to like the sound of some records which were done on an MS-16. Take the War on Drugs: Slave Ambient or Pavement: Slanted and Enchanted which apparently we're both recorded on an MS-16. Or maybe something like the earlier Black Keys albums, which were recorded on some type of Tascam. I'd be curious about your thoughts on achieving these sorts of sounds with the Zulu?
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Post by Guitar on Jun 12, 2017 21:37:27 GMT -6
So what's the verdict on this thing? Is it going to replace tape for some of you guys? I had been planning on probably picking up at least 8 channels of Zulu in the fall when the tracking units come out. However, I'm currently looking at a 16 track tape machine with brand new heads (not relapped, NEW) and completely modded by Jim Williams that I can buy locally for exactly the same price per channel as the Zulu. The Zulu obviously has different pros and cons compared to tape, as far as workflow goes, but I'm mainly interested in tone. Does the Zulu live up to the hype? Is it just another "close but not quite" approximation or does it truly SOUND like tape? I don't own one so I can't really answer. But... Anything that's not a real tape machine is by definition a close but not complete approximation. Choose your poison. In my world, it's a sound I am most often chasing, but I do NOT want a tape machine in here. So emulation is the name of the game. Zulu has a sound of its own. At least, I think I can hear it in some of the samples. The functionality, however, should give a similar function to tape sound, whether or not patently identical to the "reel thing." In my world, it's UAD plugins all day: Ampex and Oxide. But I can see why some people would really like a Zulu or other hardware emulator.
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Post by illacov on Jun 12, 2017 22:35:19 GMT -6
Hey Langston (or anyone else), What are your thoughts on achieving the sound of a Tascam MS-16 (not MSR-16) with the Zulu? I know y'all modeled a different Tascam for the pro-fi deck, right? Most people seem to be trying to emulate sounds using the hi-fi deck but I'm curious about the pro-fi. There doesn't seem to be as much talk or many samples involving the pro-fi. I know some people crap all over the Tascam machines or 1" 16 (or 1/2" 8 track) track in general but I happen to like the sound of some records which were done on an MS-16. Take the War on Drugs: Slave Ambient or Pavement: Slanted and Enchanted which apparently we're both recorded on an MS-16. Or maybe something like the earlier Black Keys albums, which were recorded on some type of Tascam. I'd be curious about your thoughts on achieving these sorts of sounds with the Zulu? Actually the Tascams are my personal favorite decks. Long term 38 fanatic. Don't forget the 8516 for Sharon Jones and Amy Winehouse. I think the DNA that Zulu has from our adventures with the Tascam and Teac machines we owned, informed the overall tone of the ProFI deck. As well between the Bias and Enhance controls, quite a few sonic parameters shift around as you turn those switches into different positions. Most of which are best evaluated in the context of your production. There's plenty of colors and dirt (intentional spelling) within Zulu aside from the HIFI stuff, one thing to point out that is key in all of this is that what you're doing into those tape machines informs the aesthetic just as much as the fact that you're using tape. But personally I think you'd be extremely happy with Zulu if you like the option of having bold colors on your recordings right beside the high fidelity sounds from tape. Thanks-L.
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Post by illacov on Jun 12, 2017 22:43:52 GMT -6
No the vocal sitting in the pocket and the song being easier to listen too is not attributed to just one piece of gear.. From what I know of Wiz 's workflow he reamps thru outboard and his console as well as analog pieces on the Mixbus; so just one piece out of all of those is not the deciding factor or the reason, however I'm sure it helped 🤠Wiz has good ears, has great recording and songwriting skills, know his space well so those are important factors too.. This is in no way intended to be a dig at the Zulu. If it was raw Vox only treated with Zulu and just Zulu on Mixbus compared to a non Zulu vocals and mix then one could say the sonic influences of Zulu are full in the blank here 😎 Its really worth pointing out that Wiz has explained in detail his working process regarding Zulu. This last song he posted featured it all over the record, aside from the mix buss (with the SA4000 compressor). I know what I hear that Zulu does contribute sonically on its own merits, but because of how Zulu acts with mixes and source material in general, it does allow you to "work," differently, so if Wiz can do things with Zulu he couldn't do before, which in turn reflects on how he uses the rest of his equipment, I consider that a win. Until you really sit with Zulu in your setup, its really easy to assume what it doesn't do, but the bass behavior, the tape compression, the saturation and the dynamic interaction, that stuff is real. The professional endorsers, the awesome independent practitioners and beyond, are hearing that stuff too. I was cutting vocals today with a 251 into a PM2000 and into Zulu to Lynx converters. There's a nice dose of realness to the way the vocals are focused with Zulu involved versus without. Tod made sure to split the signal, via an analog buss after the mic pres so that we could hear straight to digital versus without. This allowed us to record with no EQ or with EQ to show how it would sound with and without Zulu without needing to perform different takes for dry vs wet. The differences were pretty significant. Thanks -L.
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