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Post by nick8801 on May 8, 2017 5:41:37 GMT -6
Anyone here have any experience with these monitors? I'm currently using some Presonus Sceptres, and although I like where they take my mixes, I have noticed that they really can't handle heavy volume when tracking. One of my speakers farts out when tracking bass at louder volumes, and I feel like they are missing a piece of the puzzle around 200-300, which might be why I feel the need to crank them up while tracking things like bass and drums. I've been kinda down about the whole thing, thinking I was going to need to drop some serious coin to get monitors that give me what I want, but then I came across the Yamahas. They kinda fly under the radar, but they look seriously designed, and I've yet to read a bad review. So if anyone here has any thoughts or opinions please chime in!
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 6:36:02 GMT -6
First thing make sure it's not a room issue, if you need more in that area above the chest thump I would look for a pair of used JBL 4410's rebuild the crossovers and have JW do his thing to an Adcom 545.
Might take a look at those KRK 3 ways as well.
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Post by nick8801 on May 8, 2017 6:45:08 GMT -6
My room is very well treated. If you look at the response curve of those Sceptres, that's just what they do.
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Post by svart on May 8, 2017 6:54:15 GMT -6
The MSP7 are good monitors, but you'll need a sub.
I'd suggest if you don't already have a sub, get one. Try it with the monitors you have now, and do the low pass fairly high up. Instead of doing a true sine sweep and all that, just turn the sub up until you feel like you are getting what you're missing.
Once you do that, track some stuff and see how it translates.
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Post by nick8801 on May 8, 2017 8:32:08 GMT -6
Do the Yamahas really lack bass? I'm not in need of powerful sub bass. Just that chesty range. My room is tiny but well treated. I feel like a sub might be overkill. I usually just check that stuff on headphones. Again, I have no problems with translation. Just overall feel of the speakers. The Sceptres are very detailed and offer great separation, but they lack some muscle that I would like for tracking. The Yamahas seem like they still offer lots of detail, but they have a larger speaker and lots of power. I'm also looking at the Quested s7r's, but I'd like to avoid spending 2500 dollars if I can score the Yamahas for under 800. Anyone else with real world experience on the msp's?
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 9:47:53 GMT -6
Sub isn't going to give you chest thump, have you tried any of the room correction software ?
S7 great voice range but not a thumper for thump you need 2108 .
I didn't hear any softness in the thump when I played with the Presonus.
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Post by nick8801 on May 8, 2017 10:48:23 GMT -6
Just got in touch with Presonus. Apparantly the screws holding the speaker in can get loose and that's why I have some farting out in the one speaker. Gonna try and tighten it up this evening. I'm not into room correction software. I have a very nice sounding room. It records great, and is nicely balanced and treated. I used to have a pair of Dynaudios when I first started out. They gave me plenty in that range but didn't translate so well. Like I said, the Sceptres sound great and translate well but there just seems to be a missing piece of the puzzle in that range for me. I know monitoring is very subjective and so many factors come into play. Plus I just get bored of gear sometimes. My dream speakers are the Quested V3110, but they're just slightly out of my price range lol. Also they're way too big for my room. The Dynaudios gave me punch, and the Sceptres give me depth and clarity. I wish I could morph the two speakers. I've obviously heard all the hype over Amphions and I would love to try them out, but again, the Yamahas get great reviews as well, and they are significantly cheaper than most other monitors in their class. I'd love to hear more thoughts on them from anyone who has spent time working with them.
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 11:12:54 GMT -6
Just got in touch with Presonus. Apparantly the screws holding the speaker in can get loose and that's why I have some farting out in the one speaker. Gonna try and tighten it up this evening. I'm not into room correction software. I have a very nice sounding room. It records great, and is nicely balanced and treated. I used to have a pair of Dynaudios when I first started out. They gave me plenty in that range but didn't translate so well. Like I said, the Sceptres sound great and translate well but there just seems to be a missing piece of the puzzle in that range for me. I know monitoring is very subjective and so many factors come into play. Plus I just get bored of gear sometimes. My dream speakers are the Quested V3110, but they're just slightly out of my price range lol. Also they're way too big for my room. The Dynaudios gave me punch, and the Sceptres give me depth and clarity. I wish I could morph the two speakers. I've obviously heard all the hype over Amphions and I would love to try them out, but again, the Yamahas get great reviews as well, and they are significantly cheaper than most other monitors in their class. I'd love to hear more thoughts on them from anyone who has spent time working with them. Hope the simple works, I'm not a room correction or EQ fan either, but if I like a speaker, and there is a single frequency band that a simple bust or cut will cover I'll do it. I'll bet every one of the latest install of Augspergers is using a couple of bands of DSP and pretty much every big mains system I have ever heard that impressed had some EQ on it, |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2017 11:39:58 GMT -6
What's with me disagreeing with you all the time these days, Eric lol. If you put the crossover around 80 on a sub, it's gonna take a lot of strain off those monitors. Therefore letting them punch more effectively. I love my sub and how it fills out the sound.
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Post by ericn on May 8, 2017 12:19:02 GMT -6
What's with me disagreeing with you all the time these days, Eric lol. If you put the crossover around 80 on a sub, it's gonna take a lot of strain off those monitors. Therefore letting them punch more effectively. I love my sub and how it fills out the sound. I'm getting old ? A sub won't help much if there's a big dip that high, a sub will clean up some mud yeah and might get you the feel of more output at 120-200 because of the lack of deeper cone breakup but that region above 200, no not going to do much it's either a speaker change or EQ. Bigger Cones tend to have more umph in that range and for those sensitive they seam to please. Bigger cone works better as 3 way! Looking at the freq plot it looks like his speakers were voiced to give a feeling like you have a sub but at a cost to the area just above it , add in somebody who's sensitive in that area like you are to that region in your voice and I'd want a 3 way an active would be best in a smaller room with some adjustability! |
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Post by rocinante on May 8, 2017 12:32:30 GMT -6
I absolutely adore the msp7s and wish i hadnt sold them. I'm right now using lsr308s which are good but i plan on getting msp5s to accompany them. I didnt think i needed a sub bass but i have never heard them with one so maybe...
Btw, I traded in my genelecs for the msp7s.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 8, 2017 12:49:25 GMT -6
Use the hs8 and they are great for the price however, don't be fooled by the room.. the room takes learning just like monitors, even when well treated 😎 Have heard great reviews regarding the msp7 monitors. When I auditioned them against the hs8 there was a clear winner for me for the genres I work in... Rap, Trap, Hip-Hop, Mumble Rap, Pop, RnB, EDMTrap etc ... Now the hs8 have taken some time to learn however for me in my room they were a better balanced monitor that are pretty revealing and make you work... Not sure if saying this is a good thing but the hs8 remind me of an almost full range active ns-10 😳😩 yup I said it... These Yammy monitors make you work however I have no issues with translation the last two years ( had them 4 ) and recently have been crushing mixes & masters with in 2-3 prints 😀😎 and of course I'm looking to f*** that Up by getting new monitors ... Oh yeah the msp7 would need a more full range monitor to accompany them for mastering duties IMO. Also they don't go as loud as hs8... The msp7 has great mids/ hmf/ and highs... the hs8 are a little sharp at first, once broken in they are not as pesky in the HF... nick8801 |
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Post by nick8801 on May 8, 2017 15:45:29 GMT -6
I absolutely adore the msp7s and wish i hadnt sold them. I'm right now using lsr308s which are good but i plan on getting msp5s to accompany them. I didnt think i needed a sub bass but i have never heard them with one so maybe... Btw, I traded in my genelecs for the msp7s. What did you like about the Msp's compared to the gens? |
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Post by rocinante on May 9, 2017 1:18:32 GMT -6
The MSP7's had a clearer hi end compared to the genelecs IMO and even the mids translated well enough to make me feel that they were a better more rounded moitor. I am fairly certain I like these LSR's a good deal too but I'd really like to put them side by side in my room with the MSP7's.
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Post by nick8801 on May 9, 2017 4:45:47 GMT -6
The lsr series is really great too. I use a pair where I teach and they definitely don't suck!
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Post by theshea on Apr 2, 2022 9:08:05 GMT -6
would really like to try msp7‘s but they are nowhere to be found in europe ... is everybody who owns them keeping them? are they that good?
anyway, msp5‘s and msp10’s are plenty around for cheap but are the as good as the msp7‘s?
also, for my room - 4,2 x 4,8 x 2,4 m - i guess the msp5‘s are to small (and lack bass) and the msp10‘s might be to big.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 10:37:21 GMT -6
would really like to try msp7‘s but they are nowhere to be found in europe ... is everybody who owns them keeping them? are they that good? anyway, msp5‘s and msp10’s are plenty around for cheap but are the as good as the msp7‘s? also, for my room - 4,2 x 4,8 x 2,4 m - i guess the msp5‘s are to small (and lack bass) and the msp10‘s might be to big. The non "studios" like the MSP 10 are even older than the "MSP5 Studio" and "MSP 7 Studio" revisions. I would not buy a pair of old workhorse powered monitors. Yamaha does not make anything of MSP quality to compete with the likes of the beyond guitar center stuff anymore but the HS series is still very useful and better than the other stuff on display at guitar center type stores |
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Post by theshea on Apr 2, 2022 12:30:34 GMT -6
would really like to try msp7‘s but they are nowhere to be found in europe ... is everybody who owns them keeping them? are they that good? anyway, msp5‘s and msp10’s are plenty around for cheap but are the as good as the msp7‘s? also, for my room - 4,2 x 4,8 x 2,4 m - i guess the msp5‘s are to small (and lack bass) and the msp10‘s might be to big. The non "studios" like the MSP 10 are even older than the "MSP5 Studio" and "MSP 7 Studio" revisions. I would not buy a pair of old workhorse powered monitors. Yamaha does not make anything of MSP quality to compete with the likes of the beyond guitar center stuff anymore but the HS series is still very useful and better than the other stuff on display at guitar center type stores dan, you recommended the msp7 in another thread. i thought the msp line was good altogether. thanks for clarification. i have focal alpha 65 and would like to upgrade. i also have one avantone mixcube mono monitor to complement and sennheiser hd600. my mixes translate mostly well. my guesswork is more in the lowmids. thats where i‘d like more definition. the focal (to stay within the sound i know) shape 65 or twin shape are candidates as well as the neumann kh120. looking for new monitors is just sooo difficult. although ordering the candidates alltogether, working with them in my studio on mixes and sending back the ones that don‘t work out would be the best solution. but doing so i feel a bit bad towards the seller ... i know its old fashioned thinking. can‘t help. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 5, 2022 5:39:28 GMT -6
What's with me disagreeing with you all the time these days, Eric lol. If you put the crossover around 80 on a sub, it's gonna take a lot of strain off those monitors. Therefore letting them punch more effectively. I love my sub and how it fills out the sound. That works in theory, but a lot is dependent on the cross-over behaving as expected and not degrading the signal, introducing IMD. |
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Post by allbuttonmode on Apr 5, 2022 6:04:00 GMT -6
I had the MSP7s and a Yamaha sub years ago. They're ok, but in my experience, they pretty up the sound too much. A lot of information is hidden. I went from them to Focal SM9s and the difference was huge. Mixes I had done on the MSP7s suddenly sounded completely different, and full of obvious mistakes.
That said, going from SM9s to ATC 100s was quite the revelation as well. As always, you get what you pay for.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying the Yamaha are bad monitors. For the price, they're really good. But it might take you a few more revisions to get to the end result.
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2022 8:36:34 GMT -6
What's with me disagreeing with you all the time these days, Eric lol. If you put the crossover around 80 on a sub, it's gonna take a lot of strain off those monitors. Therefore letting them punch more effectively. I love my sub and how it fills out the sound. That works in theory, but a lot is dependent on the cross-over behaving as expected and not degrading the signal, introducing IMD. The problem here is it really is way to easy to think in terms of generalizations and rules. The crossover point (-3dB point) is only looking at one single aspect of one dimension. We have to also examine the other obvious objects of the crossover, the slope, type of filter and then we start to look at all the aspects of the sub and monitors. I’ll say this I hate absolutely hate working on crossovers, not enough to go to single driver designs but it’s always such a series compromises trying to hit a moving target. It’s funny just yesterday a guy was talking about how crappy a certain crossover design was, in theory it was except everything “wrong” with this design worked in this design. Nice big peak from the tweeters high pass fits almost perfectly in a dip in the woofers response. |
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