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Post by mrholmes on Mar 29, 2017 18:46:58 GMT -6
After a recording session in a friends studio I was aloud to compare them. The GENELECS sound like defected compared to the ME 904. The GEITAHINS have a super wide sweet spot and sound good even if you turn your head around. They give a true picture of the spaces where the GENELECS are just cloudy and wimpy. The top end is at the GEITHAINS a wet dream on the GENELECS a nightmare. NOW I HATE MY 8040s and want to buy at least the GEITHAIN RL 906. www.me-geithain.de/index.php/en/studio/products/active-loudspeaker/rl906
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 30, 2017 0:38:06 GMT -6
Get them in your room and work on them first!
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Post by javamad on Mar 30, 2017 1:08:56 GMT -6
Are those bass ports on the top? Stuff will get dropped in there sooner or later :-) I like the look of the not-quite-vertically-centered coaxial tweeter. Would love to understand how that affects the voicing as opposed to fully concentric - yes I'm a geek :-)
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 30, 2017 2:59:59 GMT -6
Are those bass ports on the top? Stuff will get dropped in there sooner or later :-) I like the look of the not-quite-vertically-centered coaxial tweeter. Would love to understand how that affects the voicing as opposed to fully concentric - yes I'm a geek :-) There cant nothing drop in I know the 906 as well. I can ask because of the off center tweeter. The good thing on the Geithains is, it does not matters if you work in a big romm on thier MO2 and the next day in a small room on thier 906 in nearfield postion, they all act pretty much the same.... one reason why you can see them pretty often used by the german broadcast service.... I will try them first sure, but from my few experiences with both the 906 and 904....WoW If its the same WoW in my room I have to assume that a lot of nearfields are just expensive toys.
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Post by Ward on Mar 30, 2017 12:47:56 GMT -6
The worst thing about great sounding speakers is that your mixes sound great in the control room but not so great everywhere else. That's the reason I trusted mixes done on NS10Ms back in the day and Neumann KH120s now. I hate them. They're ugly. And my mixes turn out better as a result!!
Someone should pop 'round shortly to disagree with me!
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 30, 2017 14:25:49 GMT -6
The worst thing about great sounding speakers is that your mixes sound great in the control room but not so great everywhere else. That's the reason I trusted mixes done on NS10Ms back in the day and Neumann KH120s now. I hate them. They're ugly. And my mixes turn out better as a result!! Someone should pop 'round shortly to disagree with me! I think my English is not good enough to explain it. They sound accurate not nice... I think precision is the right word. My feeling tells me you can trust them without ever hearing them before. I wont give away my NS10s But the 10s that is a different story. Anyway I get a pair for working two weeks with them and after that I will let you know what I think. javamadI did ask for you. The HF tweeter was in the first version on center but they still had some comp filtering left, that's the reason for the offset.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 14:36:33 GMT -6
I would be very interested how the last series of Klein und Hummel/Neumann 3-ways (O310?) compare to the Geithains side by side. The Geithains are pretty pricey. But i heard that the shootouts they do when they decide what speakers to order for broadcast, are most of the time very close in quality, the O300 were in discussion as a direct competitor and Geithain also might have been also preferred a bit to support an eastern germany company. The NDR worked/works more with the K&H, RBB and others with Geithain. The KH are much more affordable as "real deal" 3-way speakers than the Geithain, while i heard that the 906 are more like "for those who can not afford the real deal" but not the same league as the 904. Although it is totally right, if you can mix on the 906 you can switch to 904 without any need to adjust your ears. Same sound characteristics, makes totally sense. I would be very interested if the Geithains are really that superior in direct comparison. Curious.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 30, 2017 15:21:56 GMT -6
I would be very interested how the last series of Klein und Hummel/Neumann 3-ways (O310?) compare to the Geithains side by side. The Geithains are pretty pricey. But i heard that the shootouts they do when they decide what speakers to order for broadcast, are most of the time very close in quality, the O300 were in discussion as a direct competitor and Geithain also might have been also preferred a bit to support an eastern germany company. The NDR worked/works more with the K&H, RBB and others with Geithain. The KH are much more affordable as "real deal" 3-way speakers than the Geithain, while i heard that the 906 are more like "for those who can not afford the real deal" but not the same league as the 904. Although it is totally right, if you can mix on the 906 you can switch to 904 without any need to adjust your ears. Same sound characteristics, makes totally sense. I would be very interested if the Geithains are really that superior in direct comparison. Curious. I think the staff at Geithain would disagree with you on the opinion on the 906. The idea was / is to have very similar sonics from the small space of an live broadcast truck, to the large studio with midfield monitoring. The 904 comes with more low end but some users report that they prefer the 906 with sub over the 904. Last year I had an invitation to listen to all of them, in different positions, at the MEG factory. Too bad. I had a strong flu and could not do the trip. The O310 I am sure its a good monitor as well.... but don't we talk taste in this range?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 15:53:29 GMT -6
Yes, we do. Absolutely! These are both hi-end speaker series for broadcast duties from companies that have best reputation for a reason, very truthful and honest non-sweetening speakers that are designed to sound flat in a large sweet spot with great stereo field. And also most probably very tolerant to suboptimal environments. (at least the nearfielders) They are made to let you hear each and every spot in your mix that isn't quite as it should. Like thru a looking glass if i should describe how it feels to me working with these kind of speakers. Boring or even ugly until the mix is really good. I love that. And if i could afford them, i would buy the 904 without hesitating. The concentric speaker principle makes great stereo field. I love that. I was just curious because the 310 is even lowered in price from the predecessor and i am used to K&H in the meantime. I hope the lower price is not reflecting a quality change since the Sennheiser takeover. Didn't hear them yet. Someone said to me the Genelecs are sounding just a bit too good to he real. Nice if you want to impress customers, but not optimal for all details while mixing actually. Pretty much how you described it with "cloudy" in comparison to the really precise speakers we are talking now. I can totally understand your immediate desire to do this step up to Geithains. I always feel that step up in monitoring is really money well spent and brings you forward also in mixing skills because you can judge mixes so much easier and hear the flaws where they really are.
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Post by ericn on Mar 30, 2017 16:47:59 GMT -6
Yes, we do. Absolutely! These are both hi-end speaker series for broadcast duties from companies that have best reputation for a reason, very truthful and honest non-sweetening speakers that are designed to sound flat in a large sweet spot with great stereo field. And also most probably very tolerant to suboptimal environments. (at least the nearfielders) They are made to let you hear each and every spot in your mix that isn't quite as it should. Like thru a looking glass if i should describe how it feels to me working with these kind of speakers. Boring or even ugly until the mix is really good. I love that. And if i could afford them, i would buy the 904 without hesitating. The concentric speaker principle makes great stereo field. I love that. I was just curious because the 310 is even lowered in price from the predecessor and i am used to K&H in the meantime. I hope the lower price is not reflecting a quality change since the Sennheiser takeover. Didn't hear them yet. Someone said to me the Genelecs are sounding just a bit too good to he real. Nice if you want to impress customers, but not optimal for all details while mixing actually. Pretty much how you described it with "cloudy" in comparison to the really precise speakers we are talking now. I can totally understand your immediate desire to do this step up to Geithains. I always feel that step up in monitoring is really money well spent and brings you forward also in mixing skills because you can judge mixes so much easier and hear the flaws where they really are. I wouldn't be suprised if Sennhieser quit using the Expensive Dynaudio Mid and switched to the Tang Band copy. The TB is less expensive and has a much lower reject rate , almost no reject rate in fact. The Dynaudio has a very high reject rate and many OEM buyers have switched or are using other Chinese made copy's.
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Post by ericn on Mar 30, 2017 17:54:16 GMT -6
The worst thing about great sounding speakers is that your mixes sound great in the control room but not so great everywhere else. That's the reason I trusted mixes done on NS10Ms back in the day and Neumann KH120s now. I hate them. They're ugly. And my mixes turn out better as a result!! Someone should pop 'round shortly to disagree with me! I have an allerge to NS10's Kleenex has never done the trick, maybe wadded up in my ears BUT you can learn any speaker it's just easier with good ones. I rememberer a very drunk night when a mastering engineer admitted he had a preset he used to counteract the effect of NS10's effect on mixers perspective. A single chain never dicked with just patched it in. He said a couple of guys owed their Grammys and many their Gold and platinum awards to that chain. Never told me what it was, but he did pay for drinks!😎
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 31, 2017 19:47:45 GMT -6
Yes, we do. Absolutely! These are both hi-end speaker series for broadcast duties from companies that have best reputation for a reason, very truthful and honest non-sweetening speakers that are designed to sound flat in a large sweet spot with great stereo field. And also most probably very tolerant to suboptimal environments. (at least the nearfielders) They are made to let you hear each and every spot in your mix that isn't quite as it should. Like thru a looking glass if i should describe how it feels to me working with these kind of speakers. Boring or even ugly until the mix is really good. I love that. And if i could afford them, i would buy the 904 without hesitating. The concentric speaker principle makes great stereo field. I love that. I was just curious because the 310 is even lowered in price from the predecessor and i am used to K&H in the meantime. I hope the lower price is not reflecting a quality change since the Sennheiser takeover. Didn't hear them yet. Someone said to me the Genelecs are sounding just a bit too good to he real. Nice if you want to impress customers, but not optimal for all details while mixing actually. Pretty much how you described it with "cloudy" in comparison to the really precise speakers we are talking now. I can totally understand your immediate desire to do this step up to Geithains. I always feel that step up in monitoring is really money well spent and brings you forward also in mixing skills because you can judge mixes so much easier and hear the flaws where they really are. I have nothing to loose, if they are truley that good a mix should translate well on a lot of other systems... if thats the case - it makes my day easier - because I can trust the monitors....
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