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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 16:15:16 GMT -6
Been using the AT M50x cans in my VO booth for a couple of years and I like them, but I think I'd like to switch to something with a bit less sonic coloration. Because I like the form and fit of the M50x, I was considering the M70x so I wanted to ask if anyone has used or has any opinions of the M70x, or even a suggestion for other closed-back headphones (other than the Sony 7506, used them for years, I'm not a fan).
EDIT: Oh, and no on Sennheiser HD380s. Have them. Not cray-cray about them either.
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Post by reddirt on Mar 16, 2017 18:47:56 GMT -6
Shure 840s are a good option, easily up to par with the M5Os with less broad band bottom end rise and a more open sound to me ; not perfect but easily up to par.
And yes the 380s, while it's all there, sound a bit plastic.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 17, 2017 6:39:05 GMT -6
Been using the AT M50x cans in my VO booth for a couple of years and I like them, but I think I'd like to switch to something with a bit less sonic coloration. Because I like the form and fit of the M50x, I was considering the M70x so I wanted to ask if anyone has used or has any opinions of the M70x, or even a suggestion for other closed-back headphones (other than the Sony 7506, used them for years, I'm not a fan). EDIT: Oh, and no on Sennheiser HD380s. Have them. Not cray-cray about them either. Hey MYN, never tried the M50x, but the M70x are one of the phones I use. I like em a lot for another way to mix. I think they present the music well with balance and very good detail. However, I only use them with Sonarworks, because they're anything but neutral. They may be even more colored, in a different way, than the M50x. Here are the frequency response curves for each from Sonarworks. Individual phones may be slightly different, but these give you a good idea of what ballpark you're in. ![]() |
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 17, 2017 6:39:51 GMT -6
Well...that didn't work!   |
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 17, 2017 6:43:14 GMT -6
Anyway...Sonarworks highly recommended!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 7:45:21 GMT -6
Thanks Reddirt. I looked up the Sure's and the reviewer reviews (about sonics) were very good and there were a few user reviews online that were not kind about the build quality of them. What's your opinion on how sturdily they're made?
And LudwigVB, that's some eye-opening shizz. I think you're right. The 70xs do appear colored in a much different way, and by the looks of that 2-4k rise, may not be doing myself any favors for VO tracking with them. I think you just saved me from making a mistake.
Thank you both for taking the time to respond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:27:51 GMT -6
Ok, now I'm looking at the Sure SRH-1540's. Anyone use these? Opinions? Nearly all of the reviews out there for headphones, even studio-grade headphones aren't from musicians so even with all the nice things said about these phones, I'm not seeing a lot of real-world studio use reviews.
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Post by ragan on Mar 17, 2017 14:42:43 GMT -6
Ok, now I'm looking at the Sure SRH-1540's. Anyone use these? Opinions? Nearly all of the reviews out there for headphones, even studio-grade headphones aren't from musicians so even with all the nice things said about these phones, I'm not seeing a lot of real-world studio use reviews. I haven't used the Shures but I have used m50s as my main cans for years. Last year I had my friends Beyer 770s for several months and I liked them better. They sounded flatter and more natural. They're also extremely comfortable. I'll probably be grabbing a pair of those myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 15:00:18 GMT -6
Ok, now I'm looking at the Sure SRH-1540's. Anyone use these? Opinions? Nearly all of the reviews out there for headphones, even studio-grade headphones aren't from musicians so even with all the nice things said about these phones, I'm not seeing a lot of real-world studio use reviews. I haven't used the Shures but I have used m50s as my main cans for years. Last year I had my friends Beyer 770s for several months and I liked them better. They sounded flatter and more natural. They're also extremely comfortable. I'll probably be grabbing a pair of those myself. Hey Ragan, Yeah man. I've read some great things about the Beyer 770s even though one review from another totally rando VO artist has me thinking twice. He wrote that he felt the 770s were 'too flattering' and that resulted, somehow (don't ask me) in a "lazy" delivery. Now, I don't know if that means he's too distracted by how nice he thinks his voice sounds to focus on the copy or if he's just a moron. So while I'm keeping the 770s on my radar, I've been looking around at everything and I"m not finding many real choices that are making my pants tight. Let me ask you, do you recall what ohms your buddy's 770s were rated at? Were they the 250's? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 15:10:32 GMT -6
Ok, sorry to say I'm going to have to scratch the 770s from my list. I just took another look at them online and it appears they come hardwired with a semi-coiled 10' long cable. I hate coiled headphone cables. It seems people have modded their 770s with straight cables, but I'd rather just get some cans that I don't have to mod to fit my diva-ish demands. That's one thing I like about the M50x's, the interchangeable cables and the short 3' one that I use in the booth.
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Post by ragan on Mar 17, 2017 15:20:31 GMT -6
Ok, sorry to say I'm going to have to scratch the 770s from my list. I just took another look at them online and it appears they come hardwired with a semi-coiled 10' long cable. I hate coiled headphone cables. It seems people have modded their 770s with straight cables, but I'd rather just get some cans that I don't have to mod to fit my diva-ish demands. That's one thing I like about the M50x's, the interchangeable cables and the short 3' one that I use in the booth. Yeah I hate coiled cables too. The ones I used had a straight cable. I can't remember the ohms but I'll find out (at least before I buy mine since it sounds like you are going another direction). As for the "flattering" part, I don't get that. The m50s are noticeably more hyped in highs and lows, I would think mostly people would consider that sound more flattering. The 770s just sounded flatter and more like monitors to me. |
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Post by reddirt on Mar 17, 2017 15:51:01 GMT -6
Hey Myn, the build quality of the Shure 840s is Ok, I've had mine for 5 years , the wires do stick out a bit from the head band so have judiciously used a bit of gaff tape to obviate any problems snagging them on something as can happen in the studio. Their bass is not perfect but they are a very good combination overall; on a scale of 1 to 5, I give them a 3.75, the M50s about 3.
Sadly for you, the 840s have a coiled cable but it is detachable and thus replaceable.
As to the 1540's. I would buy them any day of the week if they didn't have a bass boost which cruels potentially great cans. They are wonderfully comfortable, sound fantastic except the bass is a bit hyped and at that price I want more accuracy.
My experience with the Beyer 770s is 25 years ago so take it for what it's worth but I recalled them being very comfortable , sounding impressive but with a smiley faced curve so no final gold star.
If i had the money I would audition the newish Beyer 1770s . I currently use my 840s for tracking and Grados as mix aids.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by veggieryan on Mar 17, 2017 16:23:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:51:49 GMT -6
Hey Myn, the build quality of the Shure 840s is Ok, I've had mine for 5 years , the wires do stick out a bit from the head band so have judiciously used a bit of gaff tape to obviate any problems snagging them on something as can happen in the studio. Their bass is not perfect but they are a very good combination overall; on a scale of 1 to 5, I give them a 3.75, the M50s about 3. Sadly for you, the 840s have a coiled cable but it is detachable and thus replaceable. As to the 1540's. I would buy them any day of the week if they didn't have a bass boost which cruels potentially great cans. They are wonderfully comfortable, sound fantastic except the bass is a bit hyped and at that price I want more accuracy. My experience with the Beyer 770s is 25 years ago so take it for what it's worth but I recalled them being very comfortable , sounding impressive but with a smiley faced curve so no final gold star. If i had the money I would audition the newish Beyer 1770s . I currently use my 840s for tracking and Grados as mix aids. Cheers, Ross I'll look into the 1770s and give the 840s another look. Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:52:18 GMT -6
Interesting! Are those open back phones though? NM. Just looked it up. Closed back. They look pretty badass. |
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Post by mulmany on Mar 17, 2017 21:23:30 GMT -6
Check out the Shure 940's.
I really like mine. Comes with a straight and cooled cable. Comfortable for long periods of time. Good response as far as I can tell. I will actually use them as a final bass reference, if you feel like the bass is a little much then you need to turn it down.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 17, 2017 22:50:47 GMT -6
Is this showing the frequency response of the two different HP's ( ath 50 & 70 )? Can you do a Apple earbuds graph please? I am interested in the earbud graph because I was using my shure sh440 today and honestly felt they were more balanced but lacked some of the mid and lo frequency info vs the earbud. Granted the earbud is probably brighter and more hyped idk that's why I'm asking about the earbud graph haha.. Thanks 🙏 |
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 18, 2017 3:52:08 GMT -6
Is this showing the frequency response of the two different HP's ( ath 50 & 70 )? Can you do a Apple earbuds graph please? I am interested in the earbud graph because I was using my shure sh440 today and honestly felt they were more balanced but lacked some of the mid and lo frequency info vs the earbud. Granted the earbud is probably brighter and more hyped idk that's why I'm asking about the earbud graph haha.. Thanks 🙏 Yeah, that's their measured responses for those two models of headphones. They don't have the Apple, but this is from the InnerFidelity site. Big bump between 1-3k. Oh well...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 11:50:17 GMT -6
Check out the Shure 940's. I really like mine. Comes with a straight and cooled cable. Comfortable for long periods of time. Good response as far as I can tell. I will actually use them as a final bass reference, if you feel like the bass is a little much then you need to turn it down. Hey Mulmany, Thanks for the recommend. I looked up as much as I could on them. The 940s look great on paper. Lots of glowing reviews at Sweetwater... but at Amazon, a lot, I mean an alarming number of bad reviews about the build quality--which seems to be a common thread with Shure headphones. I'm sure musicians in general are more careful with their headphones than the average user, but still. I'm a clumsy fucker and reading about folks on their 4th replacement pair because the headband broke kinda spooks me. Sucks donkey ass because I was really leaning toward these after reading reviews about the sonics. I hate to say it but, at least for the present, I'm taking Shure headphones out of consideration. |
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Post by reddirt on Mar 18, 2017 14:51:52 GMT -6
Now that I'm started MYN - the 940s are a different beast to the 840s in build and sound, the 940s are quite/too bright and as you've noted relatively break susceptible according to other's experience; I seriously think you are missing a good option if you don't at least audition 840s as they are a quality workhorse much like an SM7 of cans.
I've had 2 pairs in 2 different daily used situations alongside HD 280s, M50s and HD 380s over 5 years.
I'm on the case because of the apparent lack of knowledge of how useable these cans are in our (studio engineers) environment at a great price.
As to sonics on any cans mate ; reviews can only be a bit of a guide at best; I live in a remote area so bought the M50s after reading so many glowing reviews and also owning the very first M 40s years ago (which were great).
I was quite disappointed with the 50s and wondered if I had a dodgy pair as the bass lift was too obvious; point being , you have to audition yourself as cans are so personal.
Best of luck.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 18, 2017 16:37:40 GMT -6
Yeah idk the shure sh440 just sound arnemic in the low and low 250 under even though it has some type of small bump around 100hz it drops off drastically after that. I feel like it's probably -10db at 40-45hz. Actually I'm going to look for a graph... ok found one graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5B%5D=2811&scale=30So... -15db at 30 Hz that's crazy... this is sh440 I didn't find a specific Apple ear bud graph that correlates however looking at some sennheiser 280 pro hd HP they have a big scoop from one to two hundred hz but big plateau boost from 200-2.2khz... I know the 280 pro hd are tracking HP and I rarely listen to music on them I track with them so I'm going to listen to some reference music and find out lol. The Sennheiser hd 280 pro are real nice for the $95 dollars I paid brand new for them... I usually see them in sale for a little cheaper as well. |
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Post by mulmany on Mar 18, 2017 16:53:35 GMT -6
Check out the Shure 940's. I really like mine. Comes with a straight and cooled cable. Comfortable for long periods of time. Good response as far as I can tell. I will actually use them as a final bass reference, if you feel like the bass is a little much then you need to turn it down. Hey Mulmany, Thanks for the recommend. I looked up as much as I could on them. The 940s look great on paper. Lots of glowing reviews at Sweetwater... but at Amazon, a lot, I mean an alarming number of bad reviews about the build quality--which seems to be a common thread with Shure headphones. I'm sure musicians in general are more careful with their headphones than the average user, but still. I'm a clumsy fucker and reading about folks on their 4th replacement pair because the headband broke kinda spooks me. Sucks donkey ass because I was really leaning toward these after reading reviews about the sonics. I hate to say it but, at least for the present, I'm taking Shure headphones out of consideration. I have had mine for 3 years, no issues. But I am the only one that uses them, they are mix checkers and that's it. I keep mine in the case, I don't rap them up and put them in a backpack. I do travel with them, they are just in the case while not in use. I use Extreme Isolation headphones for tracking. The new version of the Ex-25's are nice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 12:03:45 GMT -6
Quick update:
I've been using the ATH-M70X's for a couple of months now and I find it's been a massive improvement in my work (and my life). First, I've noticed that since I've been using them, my ears don't ring as much when I wake up in the morning. Most days, sometimes even weekends, I'm in the booth for hours and the M50x's, with their more hyped low end, was obviously killing my ears and the tinnitus was the first thing I'd hear in the morning. Of course, the tinnitus is still there, but it hasn't been as ringy as before I switched cans (and it hasn't gotten worse). Also, because the 70x's have a flatter response, I find I'm monitoring my VOs at a lower volume. Most likely, I was probably cranking the 50x's as loud as I was before in order to clearly hear the mids over that big low end.
Second, it has helped me improve my work product immensely. Though it took a little while to re-tune my rig, my "work tone" now is better than it has ever been. I know my clients hear it too because I've been getting a lot more compliments on my tracks after tweaking my rig and my revenues and bookings are up.
With the 70x's, I can definitely hear more detail. It's almost like I went from a magnifying glass to a microscope. My tone was good before, but now it's even better--more 3D sounding. While I thought the 50x's were great, and used them at work for over a year, I never realized what I was missing until I switched.
For those of us who are often willing to shell out hundreds, if not thousands of dollars for just a few degrees of sonic improvement in the recording process, spending $275 on a pair of better tracking/monitoring headphones should have been a slam dunk decision instead of one I hemmed and hawed over. I'm extremely glad I made this purchase. The results have been spectacular.
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