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Post by javamad on Mar 8, 2017 7:53:57 GMT -6
reverb.com/item/4516093-fairchild-670-compressor-limiterWe were all complaining about the UAD pricing .. but if my UAD Fairchild collection gets me 90% of the way (some say more, some say less) then that alone is worth €45k I guess this is not really to be used, instead to be a collectors item.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 8, 2017 8:34:46 GMT -6
reverb.com/item/4516093-fairchild-670-compressor-limiterWe were all complaining about the UAD pricing .. but if my UAD Fairchild collection gets me 90% of the way (some say more, some say less) then that alone is worth €45k I guess this is not really to be used, instead to be a collectors item. Someone made an offer on it last night too.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 8, 2017 14:48:04 GMT -6
I got plenty of rack space for her 🤗
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 9, 2017 17:46:37 GMT -6
Maybe the plug in is attractive again? LOL
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Post by massivemastering on Mar 9, 2017 23:48:08 GMT -6
Now maybe I'm nuts -- But a couple studios I used to work at back in the 90's had them and I was like "Meh..." about them. For vinyl mastering, they were pretty cool (but still "meh" by today's standards IMO/E). I'll take a fresh Manley Vari-Mu --- which I also sold off --- most times. I also noticed that all the big mastering places sold them in a heartbeat as soon as they found out they could get $15k for them.
And at $50k?!? For a high-maintenance box filled with stuff that's nearly impossible to find?!? Not a chance.
I didn't care for the plug that much either. When it was super-popular with UAD (had it... didn't use it much) we called it "Child Abuse" (to varying amounts of laughter and applause).
Don't get me wrong - It's not like they sucked or something. And for the time, one of only few players in that particular game.
But geez - $50k?!? I can't even imagine. I can imagine $5k. And I'd *still* get another Manley at that price.
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Post by ericn on Mar 10, 2017 0:40:25 GMT -6
Somebody wants to retire! It's sad but what studio do you know that offered a pention or 401k?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 10, 2017 9:44:54 GMT -6
You'd think they would put up a few more pics, or maybe some sound going through that monster for that price point.
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Post by javamad on Mar 10, 2017 10:29:20 GMT -6
If you ran 4 songs per hour through this compressor, 12 hours a day, every working day of the year ... you'd still have to charge every song $5 each ... and that's without considering the wages of the engineer or taxes or parts and maintenance or advertising your service! Does not compute!
If you just put it in the rack at your studio, you'd have to add $200/day to your studio rates (if you are at 100% capacity) Does not compute!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 10, 2017 15:48:58 GMT -6
If you ran 4 songs per hour through this compressor, 12 hours a day, every working day of the year ... you'd still have to charge every song $5 each ... and that's without considering the wages of the engineer or taxes or parts and maintenance or advertising your service! Does not compute! If you just put it in the rack at your studio, you'd have to add $200/day to your studio rates (if you are at 100% capacity) Does not compute! Over how Many years?
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 10, 2017 17:04:50 GMT -6
Yeah at a fairly quick point a lot of this stuff doesn't make financial sense. The only way it makes sense is that if it's really rare you can end up making some money when you drop it.
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Post by javamad on Mar 10, 2017 17:27:12 GMT -6
If you ran 4 songs per hour through this compressor, 12 hours a day, every working day of the year ... you'd still have to charge every song $5 each ... and that's without considering the wages of the engineer or taxes or parts and maintenance or advertising your service! Does not compute! If you just put it in the rack at your studio, you'd have to add $200/day to your studio rates (if you are at 100% capacity) Does not compute! Over how Many years? You're really asking that? :-) Well .. by the time you include insurance, staff, parts and maintenance its going to be 2-3 years minimum .. just to cover costs .. not talking about moving into profit. As to the thought process that this will increase in value without ever stopping ... how did that work out for the stock market or housing and land? All you need is for an evolotion of ITB processing to nail the h/w sound 100% and the value drops out of these old processors (apart from minimum collectors items market) So, I'll take the plugin and the holiday (instead of the mouldy gear :-) ) every time. (That said, I have a h/w Zener on the way! )
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Post by Ward on Mar 11, 2017 12:14:47 GMT -6
So what's 50,000 pounds sterling? About $60,812? That's only about 74% above what it should sell for: $35,000 at most.
and if you were to buy one at $35K, you would amortize it, and pay it monthly and rent the sucker out to 'write down' the cost of it over time, and build a profit margin in on every hour it is rented out. Well, that's how I would do it.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 11, 2017 17:33:58 GMT -6
50 k its just stupid. I have no idea why all the audio geeks are driven by a nostalgic romantic feel, like with oldtimer cars.... Yes, some tools are evergreens, but the future is in front of you.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 11, 2017 17:50:00 GMT -6
I paid $4 for the UAD version. LOL!!
gear like this has truly become penile extension status, collector enthusiast gear.
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Post by Ward on Mar 11, 2017 21:50:57 GMT -6
I paid $4 for the UAD version. LOL!! gear like this has truly become penile extension status, collector enthusiast gear. My two oldest sons like to call this stuff SPIs (Small Penis Indicators) like jacked up monster trucks and tricked out street racers. Over-compensation for something lacking!!
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 12, 2017 4:41:00 GMT -6
Four more reason to say no thanks.
In a business that is changeing everyday 50 k is a risk investment.
If you give your source some real tube harmonics and you use the plug in I am sure you get something nice.
If the plug in is anything near the real deal..... I think an 1176 is more often, and easier to use.
If you want MS Compression, we have modern tools to do it.
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To be true I am overtooled and underfucked...
I am waiting for new intresting digital tools. I get sick of this nostalgic thing, be it hard or software.
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Post by iamasound on Mar 12, 2017 9:59:28 GMT -6
It will be bought by a conceptual artist with grant money from the NEA (if and before it is gutted by the current administration), to be unemotionally destroyed by a robot in order to officially state the of the end of the analogue era and to herald the new age of pure digital reproduction. I will not be in attendance.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 12, 2017 20:17:27 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 12, 2017 20:50:07 GMT -6
reverb.com/item/4516093-fairchild-670-compressor-limiterWe were all complaining about the UAD pricing .. but if my UAD Fairchild collection gets me 90% of the way (some say more, some say less) then that alone is worth €45k I guess this is not really to be used, instead to be a collectors item. Someone made an offer on it last night too. Maybe I will too, just for gits and shiggles. And tell them what I passed on one for many years ago. (a different story, but probably my next post in the thread.) Or maybe not.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 12, 2017 21:03:15 GMT -6
You're really asking that? :-) Well .. by the time you include insurance, staff, parts and maintenance its going to be 2-3 years minimum .. just to cover costs .. not talking about moving into profit. As to the thought process that this will increase in value without ever stopping ... how did that work out for the stock market or housing and land? All you need is for an evolotion of ITB processing to nail the h/w sound 100% and the value drops out of these old processors (apart from minimum collectors items market) So, I'll take the plugin and the holiday (instead of the mouldy gear :-) ) every time. (That said, I have a h/w Zener on the way! ) Er, no. Plugins NEVER sound like hardware (even when the hardware is digital.) "Models" NEVER perform like the original. But I'd gladly dump my money (if I had any now that the lawyers and accountants are raping my actually rather meaqger financials) into the incredible Tube Equipment Corp. SR-71 Blackbird compressor (http://www.historyofrecording.com/Tube_Equipment_Corporation.html), which costs significantly less (although still ass-bleeding expensive), and, if anything, actually sounds BETTER.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 12, 2017 21:17:55 GMT -6
All you need is for an evolotion of ITB processing to nail the h/w sound 100% and the value drops out of these old processors Except that that will never happen. ITB processing will never get there. Programmers simply don't understand what makes some gear special, for one thing. They're too locked into badly broken modelling techniques and inadequate "analysis" procedures that dictate what is and what isn't "important". They're unwilling to admit (to, most importantly, themselves as well as everyone else) that there are some things that we just don't fully understand yet and there are many things that are beyond their primitive modelling techniques. Plugins are getting pretty damn good - but they don't, and never will really sound like hardware. As far as "increasing in value without stopping"? Ever heard of inflation? things may not increase in REAL value, but they sure will increase in dollar "valuation".
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Post by levon on Mar 13, 2017 0:36:25 GMT -6
You'd think they would put up a few more pics, or maybe some sound going through that monster for that price point. Yes. Or free shipping. But no, they want another €790 for shipping. Ridiculous.
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