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Post by rowmat on Apr 1, 2017 15:34:26 GMT -6
I heard "Dream Boat Annie" right off the 2" masters and it certainly did not sound nasty in the high-mids. My good friend Kat Hendriske played drums on 4 of the tracks and Ray Ayote of Ayote drums played congas. The MM1000 AMPEX was the size of a large freezer and the preamps were all original UA 610's. Mushroom Studio was 3 blocks away from Ocean Sound where I was a partner and Chief engineer. The monitors in "Mushroom" studio were Altec 604E. It was called Can-Base studios at the time and was designed by Michael Rettinger who wrote Acoustic Design and Noise Control in 1973 as well as designed the A7 voice of the theatre speaker. Cheers, Dave I have both the original vinyl and CD versions and they are fine. My point was the much later 'remastered' Heart compilation was sonically horrible as were many so called 'remastered' albums when there was a tendency to hard limit and over EQ remasters. One needs to be wary when one reads the words "Digitally Remastered" on an album cover! It must have been a great experience back then. As for the UA 610's I don't know what UA were thinking when they released the UA610 MK2 because it doesn't sound remotely nice on anything to my ears. Another case of improving something that doesn't need improving. I would like to hear an original 610 but that's unlikely. |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 1, 2017 16:56:59 GMT -6
It reminds me on catholic relics.
1,8 M.... LOL
Some people substituted their brain with the bank account.
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Post by roundbadge on Apr 3, 2017 7:32:29 GMT -6
I happened across an instagram post of the dude who bought it. Some other studio posted a picture of him and the desk. They were praising his dedication to the art form and the history. It looked clean. If you can afford it, something like this is a good business tool. The gent who purchased it will no doubt market the heck out of it and get business jus based on people wanting to record on the same console that recorded Pink Floyd's DSOTM. Any word on the rest of the gear used on that album?  That marketing can work against you And that's exactly why Kevin Augunas sold his TG console. He said basically the expectations and lineage of the console actually was a big distraction with clients,expecting a certain magic thing as opposed to just focusing on crafting good music and performance. When he moved to sound city he got rid of it. |
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Post by m03 on Apr 3, 2017 11:18:43 GMT -6
I would like to hear an original 610 but that's unlikely. Off-topic, but has anyone ever attempted production of clones of the original 610 preamps? I know schematics exist, but I couldn't find much else. Seems like there would be interest to justify it, but maybe there are other factors preventing it. |
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Post by pope on Apr 3, 2017 15:12:59 GMT -6
He said basically the expectations and lineage of the console actually was a big distraction with clients,expecting a certain magic thing as opposed to just focusing on crafting good music and performance. Very interesting point. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 3, 2017 16:11:42 GMT -6
If you can afford it, something like this is a good business tool. The gent who purchased it will no doubt market the heck out of it and get business jus based on people wanting to record on the same console that recorded Pink Floyd's DSOTM. Any word on the rest of the gear used on that album? That marketing can work against you And that's exactly why Kevin Augunas sold his TG console. He said basically the expectations and lineage of the console actually was a big distraction with clients,expecting a certain magic thing as opposed to just focusing on crafting good music and performance. When he moved to sound city he got rid of it. So everybody wants the magical properties of the Magic Alex Console? |
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Post by aamicrophones on Apr 3, 2017 16:31:58 GMT -6
Our friends, Ian and Steve over at Tree Audio make a great UA610 reproduction. They actually service Neil Youngs original 610 console and several others.
I have two of the UA610 re-issues and one UA610 MarkII. I have upgraded all three with some circuit changes and tube changes. The Mark II has the wrong output tube once you change it and the plate resistor there is at least 6db or more headroom from the output stage.
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Post by wiz on Apr 3, 2017 18:11:20 GMT -6
Our friends, Ian and Steve over at Tree Audio make a great UA610 reproduction. They actually service Neil Youngs original 610 console and several others. I have two of the UA610 re-issues and one UA610 MarkII. I have upgraded all three with some circuit changes and tube changes. The Mark II has the wrong output tube once you change it and the plate resistor there is at least 6db or more headroom from the output stage. Cheers, Dave aamicrophones.com How well do the re issues, do against the original? cheers Wiz |
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Post by rowmat on Apr 3, 2017 18:44:45 GMT -6
Our friends, Ian and Steve over at Tree Audio make a great UA610 reproduction. They actually service Neil Youngs original 610 console and several others. I have two of the UA610 re-issues and one UA610 MarkII. I have upgraded all three with some circuit changes and tube changes. The Mark II has the wrong output tube once you change it and the plate resistor there is at least 6db or more headroom from the output stage. Cheers, Dave aamicrophones.com I was also wondering about modding the UA610 MKII? How much of an improvement did it make? I found our 610 MKII woolly and muddy and the compressor section rather grabby as soon as the signal hits the threshold. Not sure whether it's worth the trouble to mod ours or not. Thanks |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 4, 2017 6:12:10 GMT -6
I would like to hear an original 610 but that's unlikely. Off-topic, but has anyone ever attempted production of clones of the original 610 preamps? I know schematics exist, but I couldn't find much else. Seems like there would be interest to justify it, but maybe there are other factors preventing it. The exact transformers. End of story. |
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Post by aamicrophones on Apr 4, 2017 13:51:32 GMT -6
Off-topic, but has anyone ever attempted production of clones of the original 610 preamps? I know schematics exist, but I couldn't find much else. Seems like there would be interest to justify it, but maybe there are other factors preventing it. The exact transformers. End of story. Here is a link to a article written by our good friend Brian Fox at Fox Audio Research. www.foxaudioresearch.ca/LA610.htmBrian goes into great detail regarding the improvements to the UA610 MKII once the correct tubes are fitted and a plate resistor changed. You can see from just these two plots huge improvement to distortion and the HF rise comes down which was not present in the original. You can also get properly selected T4 optical attentuators from Kenetek which will improve the compression attack. However, once I improved the headroom and distortion in my UA610 the compressor seemed to work quite nicely. Teletronix T4A T4B T4C Electro-Opto-Attenuator Info - Kenetek You can see with the tube/resistor change that the distortion figures improve from 6 % at +20dbu to less than 1% at 20khz at 1khz.   Cheers, Dave |
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Post by m03 on Apr 4, 2017 15:46:06 GMT -6
The exact transformers. End of story. I'm sure it could be reproduced, but the cost of reverse engineering the design is probably prohibitive. However, once I improved the headroom and distortion in my UA610 the compressor seemed to work quite nicely. Are the same modifications translatable to the dedicated UA pre (2-610, and/or whatever other models I may be unaware of)? |
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