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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 22, 2017 13:58:30 GMT -6
Yeah. I spoke with drsax myself about some sax work. I hope I can work it out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2017 14:14:53 GMT -6
Saxopera?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 14:23:02 GMT -6
Hmm.. Saxoletto might be cool.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 22, 2017 14:33:43 GMT -6
Johnkenn, Solidifying a Christmas Album. There'll be some operatic stuff and some great American song book stuff.
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Post by drsax on Oct 22, 2017 21:10:15 GMT -6
The inner tube stuff is awesome. I sold Stayne some 414B-ULS's and he harvested the capsules out of that to make his mag mics. Makes one wonder why those caps get such disdain. I think it's the mic, not the caps. I also bought one of his Innertube Inserts for my vintage 87. AWE-SOME!!! Yeah, I'll have to figure out a project where I need some sax!! Agreed man. Stayne is brilliant and those capsules are incredible. Stayne prefers them to the brass ones. I haven't compared but I can say that the engineer that preferred these over his original c12 was shocked. I dig them over his c12 as well. And it was a well maintained original.
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Post by drsax on Oct 22, 2017 21:10:51 GMT -6
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 23, 2017 6:51:54 GMT -6
I can give you some more "off the hip" reactions to the Chandler mic. It has a huge sound with the gain control into the AD converters, already. But dialed back a little, its mic level, for sure. You can use any preamp you want. But its like there is "double" the character to it when doing so. Which is kinda great. Anyway, I don't think the chandler sounds anything like the Sony, but there is a similar absorptive quality to the transients. The Chandler seems like its more 47 in the bottom end, more 49 in the middle, and more C12/251 on the top. To my ears. But then you have the gain, which compresses voices like a finished sound. Yet, it still retains the top end while doing its thing. The bottom is GIANT on this mic. For crooning and voice work this mic is one of the best new things I have heard.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 8:20:47 GMT -6
Adam said, " The Chandler seems like its more 47 in the bottom end, more 49 in the middle, and more C12/251 on the top".
That's my experience exactly. I'm going to quote you in another thread.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 19:22:26 GMT -6
OK, at the risk of embarrassing myself, I'll post some things. It you hear sibilance, trust that it's me, not the mic. I had dental work on my three front teeth last month and I'm more sibilant than ever now, ugh. I may have set the input level a little high, I still haven't had time to really dial it in.
This is totally flat, no EQ, no verb, nothing. There are a number of options, variable gain, drive mode, mic placement. I just plopped the stand down 4 feet from my computer desk and did it with no adjustments or any great care in levels. The acoustic is the REDD too, in cardioid. It has a wonderful sound in Omni, but I wanted to try cardioid this time. I'll redo this tomorrow and post more later. Listen to the word "passerby", I kind of popped a P, but instead of the mic popping, it showed it like it really sounded.
In the 2nd file with me singing really loud and hard, listen how it handles the level, no strain at all, there's no compression at all, and I didn't back off the mic a mile either.
In a studio or a room with some decent room treatment, I bet it would be even better. I have always HATED flat mic file demos, even though I understand it can be informative. Compared to the mostly lousy completely flat files I've heard, I think this shows well.
Take all this into consideration, and also that it's not a mixed or mastered thing, just a plain file.. but here ya go..
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-flat-solo-vocal-1
This is totally flat, but I'm hitting it just about as hard as I can..
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-hard-hit-vocal-flat
This has acoustic gtr, drums and the same vocal. This time with just a pinch of 2 bus compression and a little reverb.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/chandler-redd-ac-gtrvocaldrum
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Post by donr on Oct 23, 2017 21:10:05 GMT -6
Dang, that sounds fine, Martin. Sounds great on your voice.
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2017 21:12:41 GMT -6
OK, at the risk of embarrassing myself, I'll post some things. It you hear sibilance, trust that it's me, not the mic. I had dental work on my three front teeth last month and I'm more sibilant than ever now, ugh. I may have set the input level a little high, I still haven't had time to really dial it in. This is totally flat, no EQ, no verb, nothing. There are a number of options, variable gain, drive mode, mic placement. I just plopped the stand down 4 feet from my computer desk and did it with no adjustments or any great care in levels. The acoustic is the REDD too, in cardioid. It has a wonderful sound in Omni, but I wanted to try cardioid this time. I'll redo this tomorrow and post more later. Listen to the word "passerby", I kind of popped a P, but instead of the mic popping, it showed it like it really sounded. In the 2nd file with me singing really loud and hard, listen how it handles the level, no strain at all, there's no compression at all, and I didn't back off the mic a mile either. In a studio or a room with some decent room treatment, I bet it would be even better. I have always HATED flat mic file demos, even though I understand it can be informative. Compared to the mostly lousy completely flat files I've heard, I think this shows well. Take all this into consideration, and also that it's not a mixed or mastered thing, just a plain file.. but here ya go.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-flat-solo-vocal-1This is totally flat, but I'm hitting it just about as hard as I can.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-hard-hit-vocal-flatThis has acoustic gtr, drums and the same vocal. This time with just a pinch of 2 bus compression and a little reverb. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/chandler-redd-ac-gtrvocaldrumOne question when's the yard sale? because that thing just works on you!
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Post by drsax on Oct 23, 2017 21:33:23 GMT -6
OK, at the risk of embarrassing myself, I'll post some things. It you hear sibilance, trust that it's me, not the mic. I had dental work on my three front teeth last month and I'm more sibilant than ever now, ugh. I may have set the input level a little high, I still haven't had time to really dial it in. This is totally flat, no EQ, no verb, nothing. There are a number of options, variable gain, drive mode, mic placement. I just plopped the stand down 4 feet from my computer desk and did it with no adjustments or any great care in levels. The acoustic is the REDD too, in cardioid. It has a wonderful sound in Omni, but I wanted to try cardioid this time. I'll redo this tomorrow and post more later. Listen to the word "passerby", I kind of popped a P, but instead of the mic popping, it showed it like it really sounded. In the 2nd file with me singing really loud and hard, listen how it handles the level, no strain at all, there's no compression at all, and I didn't back off the mic a mile either. In a studio or a room with some decent room treatment, I bet it would be even better. I have always HATED flat mic file demos, even though I understand it can be informative. Compared to the mostly lousy completely flat files I've heard, I think this shows well. Take all this into consideration, and also that it's not a mixed or mastered thing, just a plain file.. but here ya go.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-flat-solo-vocal-1This is totally flat, but I'm hitting it just about as hard as I can.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-hard-hit-vocal-flatThis has acoustic gtr, drums and the same vocal. This time with just a pinch of 2 bus compression and a little reverb. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/chandler-redd-ac-gtrvocaldrumThat's a great match for your voice - very nice MJB.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 23, 2017 21:41:57 GMT -6
I can't get them to play
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 22:26:54 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 23, 2017 22:59:54 GMT -6
Martin John Butler , I'm going back and forth between the REDD and the MK U67 that we did when I stopped by, and I think on your voice I really like the REDD. No one would think the MK U67 was bad by any means, but when I listen side by side I just prefer the REDD.
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Post by ragan on Oct 23, 2017 23:18:39 GMT -6
Yeah that sounds great, Martin. Nothing for you to be ashamed of either. I love your singing and the character in your voice. REDD presents it supremely well.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 23, 2017 23:28:54 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Oct 24, 2017 0:10:44 GMT -6
OK, at the risk of embarrassing myself, I'll post some things. It you hear sibilance, trust that it's me, not the mic. I had dental work on my three front teeth last month and I'm more sibilant than ever now, ugh. I may have set the input level a little high, I still haven't had time to really dial it in. This is totally flat, no EQ, no verb, nothing. There are a number of options, variable gain, drive mode, mic placement. I just plopped the stand down 4 feet from my computer desk and did it with no adjustments or any great care in levels. The acoustic is the REDD too, in cardioid. It has a wonderful sound in Omni, but I wanted to try cardioid this time. I'll redo this tomorrow and post more later. Listen to the word "passerby", I kind of popped a P, but instead of the mic popping, it showed it like it really sounded. In the 2nd file with me singing really loud and hard, listen how it handles the level, no strain at all, there's no compression at all, and I didn't back off the mic a mile either. In a studio or a room with some decent room treatment, I bet it would be even better. I have always HATED flat mic file demos, even though I understand it can be informative. Compared to the mostly lousy completely flat files I've heard, I think this shows well. Take all this into consideration, and also that it's not a mixed or mastered thing, just a plain file.. but here ya go.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-flat-solo-vocal-1This is totally flat, but I'm hitting it just about as hard as I can.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-hard-hit-vocal-flatThis has acoustic gtr, drums and the same vocal. This time with just a pinch of 2 bus compression and a little reverb. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/chandler-redd-ac-gtrvocaldrumThat's a great match for your voice - very nice MJB. Sounds really good.. how far off the mic were you? cheers Wiz
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 24, 2017 7:19:17 GMT -6
Good example of this amazing mic!!
Every engineer is going to drive this mic differently, but the samples are a good way to see what you can expect of a device,
The way this mic handles levels, and "natural" dimension of the space and source intrigues me.
It sounds so pure and honest as well, but there is something about how it "finishes" the source for you in the mix.
And it keeps all the natural air intact when its doing so.
It sounds huge at a distance. Can be worked with to great lengths.
Totally a versatile mic you can use everywhere.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 24, 2017 7:38:24 GMT -6
On another note, having hung out with Martin and played around with some different mics in the studio with him, he is really consistent and has great mic technique.
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Post by joseph on Oct 24, 2017 8:19:55 GMT -6
Sounds good!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 24, 2017 12:48:56 GMT -6
Thanks guys. I’m having a rough day, got food poisoning. I can’t seem to catch a break this month. I was quite a distance from the mic and I probably would come in just a little further next time I track. Mostly because I have a stinky sounding room, and it was picking up just a little too much of the room itself I’d say I was 18 inches to 24 inches away. I forgot to mention that I really like the sound of the acoustic guitar, it’s kind of the sound I’ve been looking for, so the REDD handles acoustic guitars as well as it does a vocal.
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Post by spock on Oct 24, 2017 12:59:07 GMT -6
OK, at the risk of embarrassing myself, I'll post some things. It you hear sibilance, trust that it's me, not the mic. I had dental work on my three front teeth last month and I'm more sibilant than ever now, ugh. I may have set the input level a little high, I still haven't had time to really dial it in. This is totally flat, no EQ, no verb, nothing. There are a number of options, variable gain, drive mode, mic placement. I just plopped the stand down 4 feet from my computer desk and did it with no adjustments or any great care in levels. The acoustic is the REDD too, in cardioid. It has a wonderful sound in Omni, but I wanted to try cardioid this time. I'll redo this tomorrow and post more later. Listen to the word "passerby", I kind of popped a P, but instead of the mic popping, it showed it like it really sounded. In the 2nd file with me singing really loud and hard, listen how it handles the level, no strain at all, there's no compression at all, and I didn't back off the mic a mile either. In a studio or a room with some decent room treatment, I bet it would be even better. I have always HATED flat mic file demos, even though I understand it can be informative. Compared to the mostly lousy completely flat files I've heard, I think this shows well. Take all this into consideration, and also that it's not a mixed or mastered thing, just a plain file.. but here ya go.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-flat-solo-vocal-1This is totally flat, but I'm hitting it just about as hard as I can.. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/redd-hard-hit-vocal-flatThis has acoustic gtr, drums and the same vocal. This time with just a pinch of 2 bus compression and a little reverb. https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/chandler-redd-ac-gtrvocaldrum Martin John Butler It sounds organic & natural, really finished...You sound great, post more! (after you've recovered)
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Post by Ward on Oct 24, 2017 13:30:42 GMT -6
Funny you two doctors mention it, ( drsax and drbill) because the AKG variants such as the 414ULS and 414XLS are still my favorite microphones on saxes and clarinets.
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Post by drsax on Oct 24, 2017 14:46:24 GMT -6
Funny you two doctors mention it, ( drsax and drbill) because the AKG variants such as the 414ULS and 414XLS are still my favorite microphones on saxes and clarinets. The two doctors... lol... My mag mics have the “dreaded” Teflon CK12 capsules and quite frankly - they are stunning sounding. I also have an AKG C424 quadraphonic Mic with the same caps and it sounds real nice. Sometimes I feel like swapping them with Tim’s capsules or hunting down some original brass caps, but the mics Sound so good I really don’t want to mess with them. Enter the Chandler mic... it’s the first mic I’ve tried that is in or above the league of my mag mics. I had a beesneez tribute 1 for a couple years and while others rave about it, it just didn’t do it for me. I also have some other nice mics, and have use a lot of great mics - but the mag mics and chandler stand above the rest for what I do.
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