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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 1, 2018 9:13:28 GMT -6
Funny . . . I use a Neumann U47FET for 'Outside kick' aka FOK duties, and never use a pad and never have any issues with overload. Contrary to Liam's ( notneeson) method's, I actually build a tube/tunnel around the kickdrum out to the outside kick mic position and envelope it to get a pure kick tone from it. The sound is DELICIOUS and never has any overload, not even with a metal drummer. Is the Neumann U47FET more tolerant of high input levels than an AA offering? Same here - I’ve never had a problem overloading a FET47 right in front of a bass drum. And yes they sound a friggin mazing
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Post by notneeson on Nov 1, 2018 23:49:06 GMT -6
Funny . . . I use a Neumann U47FET for 'Outside kick' aka FOK duties, and never use a pad and never have any issues with overload. Contrary to Liam's ( notneeson) method's, I actually build a tube/tunnel around the kickdrum out to the outside kick mic position and envelope it to get a pure kick tone from it. The sound is DELICIOUS and never has any overload, not even with a metal drummer. Is the Neumann U47FET more tolerant of high input levels than an AA offering? Same here - I’ve never had a problem overloading a FET47 right in front of a bass drum. And yes they sound a friggin mazing I’m not sure if things have gotten muddled, or not.😀 For clarification: I’m saying the WA47 tube mic clips on kick out. I solved for that in an unconventional way. Lately I’m back to the Royer. Have never tried Warm’s FET mic, nor the AA version. (I would like to). Whereas the Beesneez Arabella, also tube and 47 inspired, does not seem to clip on kick out (albeit at a different studio, running into a different pre.) Loud rock drums in either setting. I’m very tempted by FET47ish mics and have always loved the iFet7, FWIW.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 2, 2018 15:21:15 GMT -6
+1000 iFET! But haven't tried AA version yet. Chris
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Post by Quint on Nov 2, 2018 17:39:29 GMT -6
Given all of the fet47 options out there currently, what do you guys prefer as a FOK mic these days?
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Post by aamicrophones on Nov 2, 2018 19:56:40 GMT -6
Hi Ward, I was under the impression that the WA47 was a tube microphone. The WA47jr is a fet microphone with a transformerless output circuit. They both use the same capsules.
Our CM47fet is designed like the U47fet with much more level handling capabilities than a U87. I thought the post was comparing our CM47 tube microphone to the WA47 tube microphone in front of the kick?
According to Neumann the U47fet can produce -3.3dbu before the on-set of distortion. The U47fet can produce 0dbu before the on-set of distortion according to my measurements.
I purposely reduced the output of the CM47fet circuit 3db compared to our CM87 so it wouldn't overload "pedestrian" pre-amps. Like the U47fet, the CM47fet has some negative feedback to reduce HF peaks.
I wanted the CM47fet to work everywhere the U47fet would without having to spend $4K new. I see U47fet microphones going for $3500 used on e-bay!!!
I have never heard the CM47fet overload and I love to use it live in front of the kick, on toms, bass amp, guitar amp,saxophone and trombone plus chromatic harmonic. There is a lot of transformer sound with the U47fet as the transformer has a 9:1 ratio which means it has nearly 20db of loss. In the CM47fet we drive the output transformer from the emitter, allowing us to use a 2:1 transformer with only 6db of loss.
Cheers, Dave Thomas aamicrophones.com
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Post by rocinante on Nov 2, 2018 20:56:40 GMT -6
It's currently back on my repair bench again until I can get around to it, but I had used an AA microphones cm47 for kick often and it was exceptional. I never had a problem with it clipping and that was with metal drummers playing double kick. Typically i would use an RE20 or D12 beside it to get a full effect but the CM47 alone would be just fine especially if placed correctly and often during mixdown I muted the other KD mics.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 3, 2018 2:37:20 GMT -6
CM47 on kick out here as well. I need to pad the output heavily but the mic can take the SPL just fine. Sounds great!
For some reason it’s never my facorite on vocals. It’s always good but it’s usually trumped by other mics, and I really want it to win! I might need to experiment more with polar patterns and proximity.
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Post by Ward on Nov 20, 2018 11:31:13 GMT -6
Given all of the fet47 options out there currently, what do you guys prefer as a FOK mic these days? Until I get me some mdmitch2 Heisenberg Blue Crystal Meth mics, er... I mean tskguy Heiserman H47 FETs, I'll stick with one of my U47FETs. That "thunk" or even 'tunk' tone is just what you need in a kick drum capture. Combine that with an inside modern tone mic, like the Telefunken M82, Shure SM52 or even AKG D112 or RE27 and you can achieve wonderful things! I'm envisioning a coming session where I'll have one H47 inside and one H47 or U47 FET outside.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 21, 2018 15:29:05 GMT -6
Hi Dave. Is AA going to have a booth, at the January NAMM? I'm not presently "in the market" for another vocal microphone... But I'd like to better keep your version of the 47 FET and CM48T in the back of my mind.
When Vincent R. did his video, that includes the CM48T, it sounds a bit more low end/less top end vs. a Neumann U47 tube mic to me. Does that sound right? Is that primarily the tube chosen for it?
Thanks, Chris
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 22, 2018 15:54:14 GMT -6
Given all of the fet47 options out there currently, what do you guys prefer as a FOK mic these days? Until I get me some mdmitch2 Heisenberg Blue Crystal Meth mics, er... I mean tskguy Heiserman H47 FETs Ok I’m definitely going to do a mock-up of a blue Heiserberg Edition.... how did I not think of that before??
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Post by Ward on Nov 22, 2018 17:22:30 GMT -6
Until I get me some mdmitch2 Heisenberg Blue Crystal Meth mics, er... I mean tskguy Heiserman H47 FETs Ok I’m definitely going to do a mock-up of a blue Heiserberg Edition.... how did I not think of that before?? You sir, have warmed the cuckholds of my heart!
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Post by Ward on Nov 22, 2018 17:35:01 GMT -6
Until I get me some mdmitch2 Heisenberg Blue Crystal Meth mics, er... I mean tskguy Heiserman H47 FETs Ok I’m definitely going to do a mock-up of a blue Heiserberg Edition.... how did I not think of that before?? OH forgot to mention, you now owe me a blue one!! That's my royalty on the idea.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 25, 2018 16:15:28 GMT -6
Hi Dave. Is AA going to have a booth, at the January NAMM? I'm not presently "in the market" for another vocal microphone... But I'd like to better keep your version of the 47 FET and CM48T in the back of my mind. When Vincent R. did his video, that includes the CM48T, it sounds a bit more low end/less top end vs. a Neumann U47 tube mic to me. Does that sound right? Is that primarily the tube chosen for it? Thanks, Chris My feeling was the top end was a bit more tame than the FleA 47 I put it next to, which seemed to be a little more open on top, but it didn’t quite have the same low end reach as the FleA 47 did. Either way, for that price it’s a nice mic. I told Dave I wanted to hear it on trumpet or sax, but couldn’t get anyone over to try it out.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 25, 2018 18:29:55 GMT -6
Thanks Vincent. I suppose playing around with the proximity effect, on the AA, might help it sound a bit fuller. (compared to the Flea). In any event, the 47 style based LDC'S, are usually my favorite. Also a slightly less open top end, due to my "bright" voice. Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 26, 2018 9:25:23 GMT -6
I have some clips of the CM48T nest to the CM49, FleA 47, U87ai, and Slate's FG47. I really should finish that video.
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Post by Ward on Nov 26, 2018 9:42:25 GMT -6
I have some clips of the CM48T nest to the CM49, FleA 47, U87ai, and Slate's FG47. I really should finish that video. You've done a lot of helpful comparisons! Looking forward to this one too.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 27, 2018 16:39:12 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Nov 27, 2018 16:39:49 GMT -6
Looking forward to it, Vincent.
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Post by wiz on Nov 27, 2018 16:43:59 GMT -6
Jangle some car keys in front of them too please..
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 27, 2018 18:50:41 GMT -6
Jangle some car keys in front of them too please.. I would except I’m compiling a video from recording/videos I made last summer. I just never put the video together.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 27, 2018 22:01:59 GMT -6
Besides, we're in the Season of Jingle-not Jangle! Chris
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 3:14:26 GMT -6
I'm interested too as I have a CM48T.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 17, 2019 22:18:37 GMT -6
My new microphone shootout goes live tomorrow morning at 11AM EST. I thought it would be easier to open a separate thread for the video and just put a note in the threads about the microphones featured, in this case the Advanced Audio CM48T & CM49. realgearonline.com/post/184316/thread
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 31, 2019 10:49:45 GMT -6
I wonder if aamicrophones has a demo of their new CM47LE for me to try out.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 8, 2019 0:06:39 GMT -6
Our new YouTube video conclusion to our Emulations vs Clones series.
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