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Post by ariel on Jan 24, 2017 12:31:32 GMT -6
I'm planning on picking up an NV73 so I can compare it with the AML ez1073. So far I haven't seen anyone who's compared them directly. If they're comparable, that'll be a no brainer for pre-only. But man, the AML is just sooooo good -- I'll be pleasantly surprised if they sound the same. Keep us updated when you do the A/B of both of them. I heard a shootout on another page that had an ams-1084 vs the NV73, capi VP28 and a few others. The AMS-Neve came out on top quite a bit for my tastes. The NV73 seemed to lack something that the AMS had. Even on the Don Audio site that has the A/B test you can hear the difference a bit still. The Neve haveing a bit more of that nice low end. I am curious as to why there is such a difference between the NV73 and the AMS-Neve seeing as they are both using modern components. I would like to hear an A/B of the AML and AMS myself on a full drum kit. I think if Jeff was to do a DIY and to bring something new to the DIY neve world then an actual 10 series module would be the best seeing as no one else has done it. I also wish the AML rack had the power switch added to the front, I am not sure why colin left that out in the design. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 24, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -6
I'm planning on picking up an NV73 so I can compare it with the AML ez1073. So far I haven't seen anyone who's compared them directly. If they're comparable, that'll be a no brainer for pre-only. But man, the AML is just sooooo good -- I'll be pleasantly surprised if they sound the same. Keep us updated when you do the A/B of both of them. I heard a shootout on another page that had an ams-1084 vs the NV73, capi VP28 and a few others. The AMS-Neve came out on top quite a bit for my tastes. The NV73 seemed to lack something that the AMS had. Even on the Don Audio site that has the A/B test you can hear the difference a bit still. The Neve haveing a bit more of that nice low end. I am curious as to why there is such a difference between the NV73 and the AMS-Neve seeing as they are both using modern components. I would like to hear an A/B of the AML and AMS myself on a full drum kit. I didn't even realize Don Audio had samples up -- I just listened blindly, and picked the vintage neve in both examples. It seemed to have a little more glow/sheen about it.... but it was pretty subtle. But I'm not crazy about picking a favorite based on a random drum loop.... I'll get an NV73 and compare on my voice... Probably be a little while before I can do it. I have a few other projects to finish first. |
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Post by ariel on Jan 24, 2017 18:48:38 GMT -6
Yes I heard the DOn Audio samples on the site and heard the neve version having a bit more beef. The Don audio sounded great but in a comparison sounded a little flat. I would still use The NV73 over others. The other test that was posted on this site was far more extensive with the AMS-neve sounding quite a bit better as they had 4 mics on the kit vs the mono room mic shootout. I would love to hear the AML vs AMS done in the same type of test. I find you can hear the preamps the best when using mutliple mics on drums, layering additional parts like gtr and bass also help hear the picture of the preamps as a whole
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Post by EmRR on Jan 24, 2017 19:43:12 GMT -6
I just dug up a blackface ADAT demo done with a BBC Neve full of 33114/33115 modules....by beginner (me).....holy cow it has a thing I would struggle to replicate. A thing which might also seem oppressive if the only option in the arsenal.
I had an Audix mid-70's console for a bit around the same time, it didn't hold a candle.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 26, 2017 14:52:20 GMT -6
It does seem to me that CAPI is to API as AML is to Neve, to use an old SAT analogy format.
Neves are just expensive, there's no way around it.
I also am quite happy with my N72, I only have one, but I use it all the time. It could use some extra features but it does the job for me.
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Post by terryrocks on Jan 26, 2017 15:06:05 GMT -6
It's looking like i'll have to choose between n72 and stams 1073.
Just gotta wait for some reviews on the stam piece to start popping up.
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Post by rowmat on Jan 26, 2017 15:28:22 GMT -6
I just dug up a blackface ADAT demo done with a BBC Neve full of 33114/33115 modules....by beginner (me).....holy cow it has a thing I would struggle to replicate. A thing which might also seem oppressive if the only option in the arsenal. I had an Audix mid-70's console for a bit around the same time, it didn't hold a candle. The Neve Class A/B broadcast modules certainly have a different signature to their Class A counterparts. Not as dark and thick as the Class A's. They sound more in the API camp IMO. Kind of Hi-Fi with some attitude. |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 26, 2017 17:30:35 GMT -6
These were definitely dark and thick.
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Post by rowmat on Jan 26, 2017 20:34:03 GMT -6
These were definitely dark and thick. Interesting. I wouldn't describe our 3115 and 33114's as dark and thick. They have more mid presence than our Heritage 80 Series modules are definitely don't have as much low thickness as our N72's. However vintage Neve's are going to be a crapshoot in terms of 'in'consistancy and I always wonder about output transformer loading and input transformer impedance configurations. |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 26, 2017 20:51:43 GMT -6
These were in an unmodified/unrestored console, 1994ish. Recently decommissioned BBC. I have a lot of tube gear that isn't as dark and thick.
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Post by rowmat on Jan 26, 2017 21:53:58 GMT -6
I fully recapped the 3115 about 10 years ago and the 33114's were fully recapped and serviced by Vintage King about a year ago so your mileage likely varied.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 27, 2017 6:42:56 GMT -6
Memory is dim, but I bet it was tracked through the bus modules too.
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Post by Ward on Jan 30, 2017 1:07:22 GMT -6
Is there a 4 channel CAPI kit like the 3124? The new one, with the output control?
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Post by mulmany on Jan 30, 2017 9:00:37 GMT -6
Is there a 4 channel CAPI kit like the 3124? The new one, with the output control? All the CAPI have output control. You can do 3 in a 1u 500 series unit. |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 30, 2017 10:40:26 GMT -6
Schwenkler Audio and Whistle Rock Audio both sell the 312 circuit cards if you want to go the 4 in 1U route.
You would need to add a compatible power supply and source your own case, as well as add your own output attenuator I suppose.
I think that type of DIY is even more fun than straight up kits.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 30, 2017 10:59:28 GMT -6
Schwenkler Audio and Whistle Rock Audio both sell the 312 circuit cards if you want to go the 4 in 1U route. You would need to add a compatible power supply and source your own case, as well as add your own output attenuator I suppose. I think that type of DIY is even more fun than straight up kits. Dan has got the Access 312 cards and cases, but they don't have output trim. |
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Post by scumbum on Jan 30, 2017 11:05:28 GMT -6
Guys, if you want a Jeff-style 1073, get the AML ez1073. it's a full kit. just buy a case and get handy with your tools. it ain't hard! the AML ez1073 build takes 4 hours. FOUR hours. Whats the story about the DIY 500 series mic pre from AML , its $200 . Neve clone ? Any good ? It says "500 series "Carnhill capacitor-less" mic pre " www.audiomaintenance.com/acatalog/kits.html |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 30, 2017 11:13:44 GMT -6
It's a Langevin am16 clone. Supposedly closer to API than neve. There's a thread about it here in the diy forum, where EmRR voices some serious concerns with the design.... hence, I haven't bought one. |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 30, 2017 12:17:44 GMT -6
I would say not really at all like API either. Concern on design stands.
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