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Post by terryrocks on Jan 21, 2017 11:43:25 GMT -6
The top 3 threads in diy right now are about 1073 clones.
what I wouldn't give for Jeff to make that kit.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 21, 2017 13:05:45 GMT -6
Jeff!!!!! Did you hear that?? I'd give you a lot of money. So would a lot of other people. Bring the 1073 to the states. Add some capi flavor (extra mayo and salsa) With sugar on top.
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Post by b0b0 on Jan 21, 2017 15:10:29 GMT -6
I love Jeff's stuff. It's my (possibly ignorant) view that it's SO good because of his general mastery and knowledge of API. So I admittedly wonder if a Neve thing would have the same "well, that's as good or better than the original" that I find his CAPI stuff has.
With that said; there are other companies that make kits out there. AML for instance... You can't DIY 500 series from them, but they have their 1u stuff available as a kit. Colin at AML has depth and mastery of Neve stuff that lends credence to his designs.
There some other UK based Neve DIY maker, but I can't even recall the name at the moment...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 21, 2017 18:20:02 GMT -6
Ahem... jsteigerI kind've think Jeff thinks these bases are already covered pretty well.
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Post by terryrocks on Jan 21, 2017 20:15:16 GMT -6
I would go with the SCA versions, but I just hate the idea of being forced to use their rack. And then there's the fact that all of the 1073 kits I've encountered are close to $1000 per channel for diy. that's seems a bit crazy to me.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 21, 2017 20:39:11 GMT -6
I would go with the SCA versions, but I just hate the idea of being forced to use their rack. And then there's the fact that all of the 1073 kits I've encountered are close to $1000 per channel for diy. that's seems a bit crazy to me. +1 -- I had the SCA N72, but the format annoyed me, so I sold it. For now, I'm building the AML kits instead, but I'd love to have a few more of just pre's in 500 series. There's always the don classics version I guess, but that's a little on the pricey side compared to most CAPI pre's, and requires multiple orders to get all the parts. And hairball has a neve inspired pre with the copper, but it's not a neve clone really, just neve inspired.... sounds good, but different. Anyway, even if he's not making a Neve pre, I think Jeff has some other interesting preamp project(s) in the pipeline, at least from what I've seen on facebook lately
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 21, 2017 21:47:54 GMT -6
I would go with the SCA versions, but I just hate the idea of being forced to use their rack. And then there's the fact that all of the 1073 kits I've encountered are close to $1000 per channel for diy. that's seems a bit crazy to me. +1 --  I had the SCA N72, but the format annoyed me, so I sold it. For now, I'm building the AML kits instead, but I'd love to have a few more of just pre's in 500 series. There's always the don classics version I guess, but that's a little on the pricey side compared to most CAPI pre's, and requires multiple orders to get all the parts. And hairball has a neve inspired pre with the copper, but it's not a neve clone really, just neve inspired.... sounds good, but different. Anyway, even if he's not making a Neve pre, I think Jeff has some other interesting preamp project(s) in the pipeline, at least from what I've seen on facebook lately I have a pair of the Sound Skulptor that I dig. Not sure how close to originals they are, but they sound beefy and rich.
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Post by jsteiger on Jan 21, 2017 21:50:52 GMT -6
Ahem... jsteiger I kind've think Jeff thinks these bases are already covered pretty well. Yeah totally. I do have something new brewing right now and its not in the 1073 camp but did beat one last night on a mono drum OH at RCA A. Its not really like my other stuff either. Still in pretty early R&D so hate to spend too much time talking about it right now. Overall though my plate is so overflowing. The likelihood of me doing a Neve anything is extremely slim. No offense
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 21, 2017 22:14:32 GMT -6
If I were to go diy I would go with the the don classics nv73 + eq because it has the output attenuators included whereas the AML output fader would be additional build and parts order, and then idk if it would be on the front of the Aml module like the don classics www.thedonclassics.com/nv73eq-diy.htmlI don't have a 500 series so that would be an added expense for me. I hear CAPI has great diy racks, idk spending $5-1000 on an empty power supply 🤣 Been looking for used 500 racks recently though ðŸ¤
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 21, 2017 22:28:29 GMT -6
I'm planning on picking up an NV73 so I can compare it with the AML ez1073. So far I haven't seen anyone who's compared them directly. If they're comparable, that'll be a no brainer for pre-only. But man, the AML is just sooooo good -- I'll be pleasantly surprised if they sound the same.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 21, 2017 22:32:22 GMT -6
I'm planning on picking up an NV73 so I can compare it with the AML ez1073. So far I haven't seen anyone who's compared them directly. If they're comparable, that'll be a no brainer for pre-only. But man, the AML is just sooooo good -- I'll be pleasantly surprised if they sound the same. Are you trying to get the don classics pre only or the pre plus eq " nv73 + eq " kit? I personally like the output being included in the don... How do you incorporate your aml into your workflow? Do you find yourself missing an output trim for more tonality and gain staging color options? Look forward to your head to head comparison between the AML and the Don Classics!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 21, 2017 22:38:55 GMT -6
Guys, if you want a Jeff-style 1073, get the AML ez1073. it's a full kit. just buy a case and get handy with your tools. it ain't hard! the AML ez1073 build takes 4 hours. FOUR hours.
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Post by rowmat on Jan 21, 2017 22:48:20 GMT -6
I would go with the SCA versions, but I just hate the idea of being forced to use their rack. And then there's the fact that all of the 1073 kits I've encountered are close to $1000 per channel for diy. that's seems a bit crazy to me. I vaguely recall Tim Ryan of SCA went his own way with his racks because he didn't want to have to work within the confines of the API 500 Series power specs. For example the SCA J99 pre's run on +/- 24volts.
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Post by terryrocks on Jan 21, 2017 22:49:00 GMT -6
It's the $900 for one channel that I'm not into.
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Post by delichef on Jan 21, 2017 22:53:12 GMT -6
If I were to go diy I would go with the the don classics nv73 + eq because it has the output attenuators included whereas the AML output fader would be additional build and parts order fwiw, the diy AML kits do have the output attenuator included, and it's on the front face. You can also easily mod them to be full fader by shunting a resistor.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 21, 2017 23:22:14 GMT -6
It's the $900 for one channel that I'm not into. The parts are some of the best but still reasonably affordable. Seriously. From the input xfmr to the rotary switch to the caps. Try buying the parts that go into an original 1073 (I have and am doing it again) and youd see that $900 is actually alright. It isnt a chameleon labs or gap 73. Its a pretty damn close to the mark neve 1073 clone. Yeah, I guess there are enough diy neve stuff out there.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 21, 2017 23:37:58 GMT -6
Guys, if you want a Jeff-style 1073, get the AML ez1073. it's a full kit. just buy a case and get handy with your tools. it ain't hard! the AML ez1073 build takes 4 hours. FOUR hours. Maybe I'm slow, but it definitely took me longer than 4 hours.... maybe that long just to stuff/solder the board if you're moving fast. Lots more time shoehorning it into a case, sorting out standoffs, and figuring out the power switch if you decide to add one. This ain't no VP26! Not saying it's a difficult project, but it's not all inclusive like a CAPI kit. You have to supply the case, fuse, standoffs, XLRs, IEC,wire, etc... and I needed to slightly drill out many of the holes to get the pots to fit through the front panel, and also drill out some knobs to get them to fit over the pots. Now the AML Pultec and 2254 -- those are indeed all inclusive, and pretty ridiculously easy.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 21, 2017 23:43:40 GMT -6
I'm planning on picking up an NV73 so I can compare it with the AML ez1073. So far I haven't seen anyone who's compared them directly. If they're comparable, that'll be a no brainer for pre-only. But man, the AML is just sooooo good -- I'll be pleasantly surprised if they sound the same. Are you trying to get the don classics pre only or the pre plus eq " nv73 + eq " kit? I personally like the output being included in the don... How do you incorporate your aml into your workflow? Do you find yourself missing an output trim for more tonality and gain staging color options? Look forward to your head to head comparison between the AML and the Don Classics! As someone already mentioned, the AML does have an output trim, but it's only maybe 6 db or so. Looks like maybe the 500 series ez1073 doesn't have the trim? As for the NV73, I'm just gonna get the pre. I don't really need the EQ. Plus, once you add the EQ to the Don Classics, the cost gets pretty close to the AML, which I would prefer anyway for looks and ergonomic reasons.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 22, 2017 1:49:36 GMT -6
Are you trying to get the don classics pre only or the pre plus eq " nv73 + eq " kit? I personally like the output being included in the don... How do you incorporate your aml into your workflow? Do you find yourself missing an output trim for more tonality and gain staging color options? Look forward to your head to head comparison between the AML and the Don Classics! As someone already mentioned, the AML does have an output trim, but it's only maybe 6 db or so. Looks like maybe the 500 series ez1073 doesn't have the trim? As for the NV73, I'm just gonna get the pre. I don't really need the EQ. Plus, once you add the EQ to the Don Classics, the cost gets pretty close to the AML, which I would prefer anyway for looks and ergonomic reasons. You know one could get one of Dan from Collective Cases rack-it pcbs and then put the Don Audio in a 1u with eq and all. You could also then just get the pcb's from Don Audio and you'd be flexible to build the 1073 however you wanted. One could make these purchases over time so it wouldn't be a whopping amount at once.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 22, 2017 8:28:36 GMT -6
It's the $900 for one channel that I'm not into. how much is a VP28 + LC53A? yeah... (hint: it's $287.99 + $419.99 + s/h and you have to already own a 500-series chassis which is another $425 for API's 8-slot dsub lunchbox)
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Post by EmRR on Jan 22, 2017 12:16:15 GMT -6
and sounds like a lot less labor time with the AML than a semi-comparable CAPI set build.
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Post by terryrocks on Jan 22, 2017 14:57:17 GMT -6
The Stam Audio 1073mpa is closer to what i'm willing to pay per channel. Just hoping they actually sound great
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 22, 2017 16:16:02 GMT -6
If I were to go diy I would go with the the don classics nv73 + eq because it has the output attenuators included whereas the AML output fader would be additional build and parts order fwiw, the diy AML kits do have the output attenuator included, and it's on the front face. You can also easily mod them to be full fader by shunting a resistor. That must be a mark 2 kit or a new revision because when I used a pair they did not have output attenuators... I also remember following dr bill and why he used missing links was due to the fact there wasn't output attenuation on the neve... I know the 19" rack has an output attenuation however as recently as June 2 ,2016 I found this quote in response to someone saying ," The 500 series version of this pre does not have an output attenuator " about the AML 500 series 1073 clone and in response, " It is possible to order a full output fader at the point of sale but it adds considerably to the costs (P&G faders are not inexpensive)." So I'm not sure how much more it is but as far as I know it's not included in diy and modules I used, maybe now that they are sold in VK they added the output attenuation, idk.. cheers
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 23, 2017 7:17:50 GMT -6
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Post by drew571 on Jan 23, 2017 14:31:28 GMT -6
AML DIY rack mount kit has attenuator. 500 series is not DIY and has no option for output attenuator.
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