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Post by gouge on Dec 5, 2016 16:25:15 GMT -6
Am starting to use multiband comp more and more, drums and for vocals.
Itb mainly, but i have a couple of spare comps with sc so could hook them up in series.
Or get another v verb which has it onboard
So I got to thinking what do others use. Both digital and analogue and how do you like to use it.
There has been a few situations of late that I couldn't have fixed without it. Too harsh cymbals, strident vocals. The hardest part is knowing which freq to attack. But I guess with time that will improve.
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Post by M57 on Dec 5, 2016 17:44:50 GMT -6
Harsh cymbals? Strident vocals? Why (and how would you) use a multiband compressor? Have you tried soothe? Get the demo.
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Post by gouge on Dec 6, 2016 2:03:14 GMT -6
I haven't tried soothe. Does soothe do freq spec compression.
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Post by lcr on Dec 6, 2016 4:23:53 GMT -6
I haven't tried soothe. Does soothe do freq spec compression. I use Waves C4 to tame cymbals in overheads when needed. Often just a single band, bypassing the other bands. Also to control the bottom end of a bass or kick and the sometimes bitey 2-4k region of guitars.
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Post by gouge on Dec 6, 2016 5:04:56 GMT -6
Thanks lcr.
c4 seems to get a lot of love online.
When you treat guitars are you using it on a group buss or individual tracks.
I got to use ozone briefly and was impressed.
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 6, 2016 5:35:09 GMT -6
I used Vladg's free dynamic EQ. Usually just for taming hi-hats or harsh midrange in certain vocals. Can be good on instruments like tin whistle too, though.
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Post by M57 on Dec 6, 2016 5:43:43 GMT -6
I haven't tried soothe. Does soothe do freq spec compression. No compression as far as I'm aware; It's more of an EQ, but it does an incredible job of finding those irritating frequencies and and pulling them in dynamic fashion.
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Post by lcr on Dec 6, 2016 6:49:23 GMT -6
Thanks lcr. c4 seems to get a lot of love online. When you treat guitars are you using it on a group buss or individual tracks. I got to use ozone briefly and was impressed. Whatever is needed. Not to avoid the question but It's always different.
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 6, 2016 7:09:38 GMT -6
I don't recommend many things, but Reaper has a native VST called ReaFIR, that is the absolute bomb when it comes to dealing with so many issues. I downloaded the Soothe demo, it is okay, but you are still sort of whistling in the dark while setting it. ReaFIR uses FIR filtering, in several ways. First, the waveform is displayed like an analyzer so you can get a visual clue about where problems might exist. It has infinite bands, and introduces no phase issues, unlike regular EQ. It also has a compression mode, where instead of a straight EQ adjustment, you can draw a wave form, or pull the static line down in areas, and then set a ratio that you wish the EQ to operate from. It also has what is called Subtract mode, if you select it to build a noise profile you can play something into it, and it will learn its equalization curve, and then you switch it to compression mode and it will apply that curve to your material. Just for an experiment I applied Soothe to a song fairly liberally, and then played pink noise through those same settings in Soothe and ran that to ReaFIR so it could learn the curve that Soothe was applying. Then I A/B'ed the track with ReaFIR and Soothe, and although they were basically indistinguishable, the artifacts left by Soothe and its effect on neighboring bands weer audible, ReaFIR was noticeably more transparent. But what is even more useful is how I used it earlier today, I am trying to prepare a record, and this particular song just didn't sound as good as it could. So I went to Youtube, found "Penny Lane" by the Beatles, which has this wonderful bass curve and lots of interesting instrumental and vocal parts artfully blended, and played that into the Subtract mode, where it learned the frequency reesonse curve of a well remastered song. Then I played the problem child through that, and just had to smile at all the hair-pulling and repeated listening and tweaking it let me avoid. There are so many interesting things in Reaper, and as it is a free trial with a ridiculously cheap license if you decide you just have to have it (although the license is on the honor system, they never disable the trial version). PC or OS, recognizes any hardware, downloads in two minutes, it is a miracle of goodwill and excellent software design......
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Post by gouge on Dec 6, 2016 8:44:46 GMT -6
thanks JJ,
it hadn't occurred to me to use FIR, I use it as an eq and in subtractive mode a fair bit. it hadn't occurred to me to use it as a multi band comp as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 8:46:33 GMT -6
Some great tools. ReaEq above to isolate freq, ReaFir to kill em. Hadn't thought about analyzing songs though, I know Izotope can do that.
Regarding m/b compression on individual tracks, would that cause additive problems further down the line ( eg buss comp / master comp )?
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Post by gouge on Dec 6, 2016 9:28:34 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Dec 6, 2016 9:31:42 GMT -6
For Pity's sake, JJ... use paragraphs, mate. I don't recommend many things, but Reaper has a native VST called ReaFIR, that is the absolute bomb when it comes to dealing with so many issues.
I downloaded the Soothe demo, it is okay, but you are still sort of whistling in the dark while setting it. ReaFIR uses FIR filtering, in several ways.
First, the waveform is displayed like an analyzer so you can get a visual clue about where problems might exist. It has infinite bands, and introduces no phase issues, unlike regular EQ. It also has a compression mode, where instead of a straight EQ adjustment, you can draw a wave form, or pull the static line down in areas, and then set a ratio that you wish the EQ to operate from.
It also has what is called Subtract mode, if you select it to build a noise profile you can play something into it, and it will learn its equalization curve, and then you switch it to compression mode and it will apply that curve to your material. Just for an experiment I applied Soothe to a song fairly liberally, and then played pink noise through those same settings in Soothe and ran that to ReaFIR so it could learn the curve that Soothe was applying.
Then I A/B'ed the track with ReaFIR and Soothe, and although they were basically indistinguishable, the artifacts left by Soothe and its effect on neighboring bands weer audible, ReaFIR was noticeably more transparent.
But what is even more useful is how I used it earlier today, I am trying to prepare a record, and this particular song just didn't sound as good as it could.
So I went to Youtube, found "Penny Lane" by the Beatles, which has this wonderful bass curve and lots of interesting instrumental and vocal parts artfully blended, and played that into the Subtract mode, where it learned the frequency reesonse curve of a well remastered song.
Then I played the problem child through that, and just had to smile at all the hair-pulling and repeated listening and tweaking it let me avoid.
There are so many interesting things in Reaper, and as it is a free trial with a ridiculously cheap license if you decide you just have to have it (although the license is on the honor system, they never disable the trial version). PC or OS, recognizes any hardware, downloads in two minutes, it is a miracle of goodwill and excellent software design......
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Post by Ward on Dec 6, 2016 9:32:41 GMT -6
There. Now I can read your very interesting, informative and enlightening post. And it is appreciated! Thank you.
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 6, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -6
There. Now I can read your very interesting, informative and enlightening post. And it is appreciated! Thank you. Okay, you're hired.....
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 6, 2016 10:11:51 GMT -6
Some great tools. ReaEq above to isolate freq, ReaFir to kill em. Hadn't thought about analyzing songs though, I know Izotope can do that. Regarding m/b compression on individual tracks, would that cause additive problems further down the line ( eg buss comp / master comp )? What makes it different than say, ReaXComp, eg, is that there is no automatic make-up gain. So it is a cut only application in compression mode. Although the EQ seems very neutral even in boost mode without the usual problems, I typically cut only. Which you could obviously think of as boosting everything you didn't cut.... What is sort of a cool application for getting a consistent sound over a project is that if you have an EQ treatment or maybe you borrowed a microphone or hardware no longer around, that you are fond of, you can use its ability to learn that curve and store it as an FX chain, and call it up whenever you like. One of my favorite bus comps is the 1136 Peak Limiter, another native plug. It also has a sort of unique EQ function, called tilt. You can set a point like the bar of a teeter totter, and boost either the lows or highs on either side, without some of the artifacts associated with EQ. Excellent on grouped guitars and bg vox. And that Event Horizon Clipper Limiter has that control labelled ceiling, you talk about making a bad dog sit and stay, wish it worked on my actual dogs.... Here is that song I put that Beatles curve over the whole song, it was the second song I recorded when I came back to recording, and lots of it was recorded with a shaky mic and a Saffire 6, which was all I could muster then. So it was several generations, and was getting way off course.... clyp.it/u2fnyk5x
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:27:29 GMT -6
"clyp.it/u2fnyk5x" 404 this time. is this a conspiracy against you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:29:20 GMT -6
good stuff thanks, I pretty much wrecked anything I put this on, can see why now:)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:30:21 GMT -6
Some great tools. ReaEq above to isolate freq, ReaFir to kill em. Hadn't thought about analyzing songs though, I know Izotope can do that. Regarding m/b compression on individual tracks, would that cause additive problems further down the line ( eg buss comp / master comp )? What makes it different than say, ReaXComp, eg, is that there is no automatic make-up gain. So it is a cut only application in compression mode. Although the EQ seems very neutral even in boost mode without the usual problems, I typically cut only. Which you could obviously think of as boosting everything you didn't cut.... What is sort of a cool application for getting a consistent sound over a project is that if you have an EQ treatment or maybe you borrowed a microphone or hardware no longer around, that you are fond of, you can use its ability to learn that curve and store it as an FX chain, and call it up whenever you like. One of my favorite bus comps is the 1136 Peak Limiter, another native plug. It also has a sort of unique EQ function, called tilt. You can set a point like the bar of a teeter totter, and boost either the lows or highs on either side, without some of the artifacts associated with EQ. Excellent on grouped guitars and bg vox. And that Event Horizon Clipper Limiter has that control labelled ceiling, you talk about making a bad dog sit and stay, wish it worked on my actual dogs.... Here is that song I put that Beatles curve over the whole song, it was the second song I recorded when I came back to recording, and lots of it was recorded with a shaky mic and a Saffire 6, which was all I could muster then. So it was several generations, and was getting way off course.... clyp.it/u2fnyk5xgotta try this, does it need to be in subtract mode to learn a curve or just normal?
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 6, 2016 10:37:13 GMT -6
"clyp.it/u2fnyk5x" 404 this time. is this a conspiracy against you Try it again, I don't get why everyone is against me.....boohooboohoo
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Post by jjinvegas on Dec 6, 2016 10:47:24 GMT -6
you put ReaFIR across the L/R buss, insert some kind of media file, and put it into subtract mode. There is a box you check "automatically build noise floor" Play the track, and then switch it to compression mode. Then play something else into it, and adjust the comp ratio and use the control key and mouse to pull the learned profile towards the audio playing. I notice that gentle settings work best, 1.6 or so on the ratio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:53:24 GMT -6
Linky works, listening now, cool, ..... thanks for explanation 'bout ReaFir
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Post by sean on Dec 6, 2016 15:27:12 GMT -6
I dig the FabFilter multi-band, it's been a real life savers specially with some live tracks I've had to mix
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Post by mrspecial on Dec 9, 2016 4:11:48 GMT -6
I'm suprised no one has mentioned Tokyo Dawn's Nova plugin. It's free. I use it constantly, especially for its side chain capabilities. For instance I will put it on a bass, side chain the kick in and have it compress just a small band around the low end of the kick with .1 attack. Makes them work together quite well. Also great to tame the slaps from an upright. It's great for controlling unwanted bleed as well. Not much that can't be done in fab filters MB but it's free and has a pleasant workflow to it
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 9, 2016 9:22:23 GMT -6
Nova is nice, but I use the Vladg version for the lower overheads. If I need different time constants for each band, I'd probably just use 2 different instances.
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