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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 23, 2016 15:46:47 GMT -6
Same mix through the same hardware. At the output of the hardware chain, jacked the output into the Svartbox (clipping the AD) vs. running cool into the Svartbox. Then ITB, I added Pro-L to both tracks with the same settings (-.05 peak). The AD clipped track, I added no gain, just catching the overs to keep the digital distortion out, and the unclipped tracks I jacked the gain and compressed a bunch and got the RMS between the two as close as I could. Which do you prefer and which do you think is the clipped AD? drive.google.com/open?id=0Bym1m85ha75ROW1sT0MtTmVaa1EFiles are uploading to that folder as we speak. Should be up in 4 minutes or so. The .mp3 files *should* play in your browser (Chrome), the .wav files need to be downloaded. Also, note, not my tune, recording, or performance. Just my mix for fun and testing. The Artist is Wesley Morgan. |
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Post by M57 on Nov 23, 2016 21:19:47 GMT -6
Where are the tracks?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 23, 2016 21:30:56 GMT -6
Pulled them. Gonna run off another tomorrow. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 23, 2016 23:10:36 GMT -6
Maybe a clipped file and Unclipped file? I think pro L adds another tricky element into the equation that may alter / skew the results or data you seek!
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Post by svart on Nov 24, 2016 13:41:47 GMT -6
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Post by swurveman on Nov 24, 2016 15:28:49 GMT -6
On headphones, rest 3 was louder than rest 2 and brighter with the vocal more upfront in the mix. They sound like a different mixes. |
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Post by svart on Nov 24, 2016 15:32:13 GMT -6
On headphones, rest 3 was louder than rest 2 and brighter with the vocal more upfront in the mix. They sound like a different mixes. They are different mixdowns, but the same mix. Nothing was changed between the different files but the level into the converter and the RMS volume later. To me, the overall tonality is very much the same between them. So which one did you like better? |
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Post by swurveman on Nov 24, 2016 15:40:07 GMT -6
On headphones, rest 3 was louder than rest 2 and brighter with the vocal more upfront in the mix. They sound like a different mixes. They are different mixdowns, but the same mix. Nothing was changed between the different files but the level into the converter and the RMS volume later. To me, the overall tonality is very much the same between them. So which one did you like better? I liked rest 3 better. Any reason why it would sound brighter? |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 25, 2016 8:20:44 GMT -6
Clipping creates a squarewave shape. Squarewaves are a stack of all harmonics relative to a fundamental. Increased high harmonics are higher in frequency, thus can add brightness. Overly simplified version.
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Post by svart on Nov 25, 2016 10:40:29 GMT -6
Clipping creates a squarewave shape. Squarewaves are a stack of all harmonics relative to a fundamental. Increased high harmonics are higher in frequency, thus can add brightness. Overly simplified version. Yes, that's the reason, but I was withholding that info until folks had a chance to impartially listen to the tracks.. |
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Post by swurveman on Nov 25, 2016 11:35:12 GMT -6
Clipping creates a squarewave shape. Squarewaves are a stack of all harmonics relative to a fundamental. Increased high harmonics are higher in frequency, thus can add brightness. Overly simplified version. Yes, that's the reason, but I was withholding that info until folks had a chance to impartially listen to the tracks.. "To me, the overall tonality is very much the same between them." Trying to be a sneaky devil svart? LOL I kid..... |
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Post by svart on Nov 25, 2016 13:05:52 GMT -6
Yes, that's the reason, but I was withholding that info until folks had a chance to impartially listen to the tracks.. "To me, the overall tonality is very much the same between them." Trying to be a sneaky devil svart? LOL I kid..... I do think there is little difference between them, but I also wanted folks to listen without being too biased before listening. |
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Post by EmRR on Nov 25, 2016 13:22:23 GMT -6
Sorry! I haven't listened or looked at all, just stating the facts around the brightness question that was asked. For all i know there's a breakthrough darkening circuit at the Svartbox clip level....
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 25, 2016 14:58:37 GMT -6
Apparently my HEDD 192 sounds very good clipped .... but I don't make the kinda of music that needs to be extra hot so I've never tried!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 27, 2016 10:07:32 GMT -6
looking forward to hearing the sound files :-D
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 27, 2016 22:27:20 GMT -6
Just added my files in the original post.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 28, 2016 19:10:27 GMT -6
A sounds a little more bright and distorted to me. So I guess I prefer B. It's just easier to listen to for some reason. There's less sharp frequencies in B and the bass fills out more. That's what I'm hearing right now anyway.
Also I want to say you have serious mixing and recording chops, I always love hearing your stuff.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 28, 2016 20:08:16 GMT -6
A sounds a little more bright and distorted to me. So I guess I prefer B. It's just easier to listen to for some reason. There's less sharp frequencies in B and the bass fills out more. That's what I'm hearing right now anyway. Also I want to say you have serious mixing and recording chops, I always love hearing your stuff. Thanks D. |
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Post by kilroyrock on Nov 29, 2016 6:40:14 GMT -6
This may be a huge newb question, but I hear of people clipping the input of the AD, but never understood what it was doing (until 6 posts ago). I always thought that if the AD clipped, it'd give those horrible popping artifacts you get if you jammed the mixbus too high. Can anyone explain that a bit?
I like rest 3.
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2016 7:05:38 GMT -6
This may be a huge newb question, but I hear of people clipping the input of the AD, but never understood what it was doing (until 6 posts ago). I always thought that if the AD clipped, it'd give those horrible popping artifacts you get if you jammed the mixbus too high. Can anyone explain that a bit? I like rest 3. In this case, you're effectively using the opamps and the A/D input protection to round off the fastest transients. It's not until you get to the main portion of the signal that you start to hear the grotesque clipping that you're used to thinking of when someone says "digital clipping". I'm sure there is a rise in THD when doing the transient clipping, but for the most part the transients are so fast, and the generated harmonics are lower in power, that it's not really noticeable except being perceived as brightness. I think most folks know it by now, but Rest3 was the clipped one. |
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2016 14:59:57 GMT -6
I kinda like B better, for no real reason that I can pick out.
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2016 15:08:03 GMT -6
I went with B too, sounded a tad smoother to me. Or something....
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