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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2016 17:49:47 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2016 19:55:02 GMT -6
If this mic was labelled as something else other than 87... I wouldnt write anything.
It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as my U87. Does it sound good for the price it is... thats where the name thing comes in for me....possibly.
It sounds to me, not unlike lots of other Neumannalikeish capsules I have heard.
I hope its successful, and people record lots of great music that makes them happy.
A U87i it is not though.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2016 20:29:27 GMT -6
If this mic was labelled as something else other than 87... I wouldnt write anything. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as my U87. Does it sound good for the price it is... thats where the name thing comes in for me....possibly. It sounds to me, not unlike lots of other Neumannalikeish capsules I have heard. I hope its successful, and people record lots of great music that makes them happy. A U87i it is not though. cheers Wiz I tend to agree but, I'm waiting to get one in my hands before passing Judgement and as much hope as I have based on everything else Warm figure at some point it will end up in the hands of Shannon who will make it something very special. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 10, 2016 21:15:14 GMT -6
I haven't heard this clip but in the raw samples I heard blind, against a vintage U87, I picked the WA-87, in two different songs. I was sure I was picking the U87... but I wasn't.
I'm eager to try one.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2016 15:47:37 GMT -6
Ha Ha,I just did the same. I liked the A or B for different reasons flatness vs a little more dimensionality but I picked the wa87 too !
That's a scream, given the huge price difference.
Trying to scrape up the dough for a matched pair, be a great tool !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 16:05:45 GMT -6
really nice.... been put on to some amazing music since hanging around this site ... all this gear stuff is prolly good too  |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 11, 2016 22:09:30 GMT -6
I haven't heard this clip but in the raw samples I heard blind, against a vintage U87, I picked the WA-87, in two different songs. I was sure I was picking the U87... but I wasn't. I'm eager to try one. Link to these raw samples ? Would love to hear them... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2016 4:20:00 GMT -6
There's a link in top post |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 12, 2016 13:34:14 GMT -6
I agree with Wiz, I was a little bit underwhelmed with the audio samples.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 13, 2016 2:23:42 GMT -6
Still wondering if this circuit can accept a Neumann capsule? I bet that would bring it up to snuff! Oh ya and wiz had a bad ass u87!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2016 6:25:03 GMT -6
I bet it wouldn't be a problem as I believe Bryce typically mostly follows original schematics.
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Post by Ward on Nov 13, 2016 20:29:50 GMT -6
Guys, I'd be real happy if Shannon Rhoads,Tim Campbell, Mark Fouxman or Jim Williams would weigh in on this, but I know you just CAN'T drop any capsule into any microphone, not even a clone capsule into an OEM mic nor an OEM capsule into a clone mic. And mixing and matching can lead to all kinds of weirdness or outright non functionality. Some work is required to make this... work.
Ok, bring on an expert or two please.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 13, 2016 20:40:05 GMT -6
ah, if they don't have a wa87 mike in their paws, what do you expect them to say ? I think the only thing that matters are the similarities of signal to and from the capsule and the capsule mount ? |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 13, 2016 21:37:02 GMT -6
That's why I asked about the circuit and if the capsule and circuit were paired for each other.. I would definitely be due diligent and cover my investment |
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 14, 2016 3:43:34 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't install a $750 Neumann capsule in a Chinese mic like the Warm. It's a waste. Start with a better base if you're planning to go down that route.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2016 7:54:36 GMT -6
hmm , better base , have you speced the build parts and can you tell us what is deficient in the mike ? I ask cus with previous Warm gear Bryce has gone to a fair bit of trouble to spec the same and or equivalent build parts (cinemag transformers, t4 cells etc.) with custom runs. But I don't know if I would put a neumann cap also |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 14, 2016 8:48:00 GMT -6
Has anyone had this mic and it's components in hand? That's right they have not! Aside from maybe Mr. CowboyCoalminer, all of us are judging the mic based off pics, minimal audio samples, and marketing blips. I will not pass judgement on this mic until I hear and use it. Then I will be able to voice my opinion and say if it's Chinese junk ( which I doubt ) or that it's ten times better than a vintage 87 ( which I highly doubt ) 😁 I would love if we could keep it more pro here and not talk down upon products we haven't used! Ppl do that on GS and it is not cool to the developers and builders of the products who try to make these great products for us to make great music. I'm talking in general about all pro audio companies not just Warm Audio when I say developers and builders! Have a great day yall
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Post by Guitar on Nov 14, 2016 10:30:08 GMT -6
I say if you're swapping capsules, why not go full DIY and save yourself a lot of money. And then you can even tweak other components from there.
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Post by ericn on Nov 14, 2016 10:38:09 GMT -6
Has anyone had this mic and it's components in hand? That's right they have not! Aside from maybe Mr. CowboyCoalminer, all of us are judging the mic based off pics, minimal audio samples, and marketing blips. I will not pass judgement on this mic until I hear and use it. Then I will be able to voice my opinion and say if it's Chinese junk ( which I doubt ) or that it's ten times better than a vintage 87 ( which I highly doubt ) 😁 I would love if we could keep it more pro here and not talk down upon products we haven't used! Ppl do that on GS and it is not cool to the developers and builders of the products who try to make these great products for us to make great music. I'm talking in general about all pro audio companies not just Warm Audio when I say developers and builders! Have a great day yall Nailed it! |
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Post by ericn on Nov 14, 2016 10:39:58 GMT -6
I say if you're swapping capsules, why not go full DIY and save yourself a lot of money. And then you can even tweak other components from there. Some don't like DIY and the idea of having a good mic, that they latter Can turn into a great mic, I call it incremental financing! |
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Post by ericn on Nov 14, 2016 10:46:29 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't install a $750 Neumann capsule in a Chinese mic like the Warm. It's a waste. Start with a better base if you're planning to go down that route. Why not ? I'm not sure I would spend $750 on Neumann part that has been know to be inconsistent and a expert (Klaus ) has stated yes the last few samples have been better but he hasn't seen enough samples to say they are back on track! $750 is a lot for a part bought on reputation alone. That you can't return if it doesn't live up to the hype, me I would spend the money on Shannon getting it the way I want it! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2016 10:52:39 GMT -6
I have found from the beginning with Warm Audio, you get a very very good product a great price. I personally was never concerned about the, does it perfectly match performance of (put in name of piece of classic gear here)issue ,cus practically none of us ever used those products when they were brand new. The 87 is different though.
I am very interested in a matched pair of the wa87 simply to get me in the fet 87 sonic ballpark and to compliment my diy c12 and mk-u47. I doubt I will be disappointed come Christmas.
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 14, 2016 18:28:28 GMT -6
hmm , better base , have you speced the build parts and can you tell us what is deficient in the mike ? I ask cus with previous Warm gear Bryce has gone to a fair bit of trouble to spec the same and or equivalent build parts (cinemag transformers, t4 cells etc.) with custom runs. But I don't know if I would put a neumann cap also The transformer for one, is a different ratio. I wish them all the best with their product. Just that I'm not expecting it to sound like anything more than the sum of its parts. That's how microphone's work  |
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Post by jakeharris on Nov 14, 2016 18:40:07 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't install a $750 Neumann capsule in a Chinese mic like the Warm. It's a waste. Start with a better base if you're planning to go down that route. Why not ? I'm not sure I would spend $750 on Neumann part that has been know to be inconsistent and a expert (Klaus ) has stated yes the last few samples have been better but he hasn't seen enough samples to say they are back on track! $750 is a lot for a part bought on reputation alone. That you can't return if it doesn't live up to the hype, me I would spend the money on Shannon getting it the way I want it! I wouldn't buy it to send to Shannon either U87's sell brand-new for $2K in Europe. You can get them s/h around $1'500. The Neumann M147 can be had as low as $1'200-$1'300. Same for U89's. There's plenty more examples of great sounding mics for little dollar. So, the maths just doesn't add up. If you're buying this thing to use as a $599 mic, it makes perfect sense. Same with those 3U Audio mics. But pushing it over $1K with modifications? In my case it wouldn't be worth it. |
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Post by bluegrassdan on Nov 14, 2016 20:29:00 GMT -6
Meh. It ain't no U87, IMHO. And the compression doesn't sound like my La2a.
(Obviously, that's just listening off the cuff with no AB comparison.)
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