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Post by mrholmes on Oct 26, 2016 23:16:03 GMT -6
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Post by sopwith on Oct 27, 2016 0:17:44 GMT -6
Just watched the presentation - that thing is gorgeous. Probably don't need the 5k screen for producing audio, but as a Surface user for years, a 28 inch surface is basically my dream computer for video and art production. Any daw with a good multitouch layer would be amazing on it. Writing music on the surface with Staffpad and the pen is super fun, but it really needs rewire so I can send the midi to a daw.
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Post by donr on Oct 27, 2016 6:45:05 GMT -6
Anyone here now using a multitouch screen with a DAW? Raven MTi? Does it work/make sense?
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Post by swurveman on Oct 27, 2016 7:24:20 GMT -6
Anyone here now using a multitouch screen with a DAW? Raven MTi? Does it work/make sense? I don't own one, but Raven is working for basic setups. I know that for more complex setups- SSL Sigma for example- it doesn't control Sigma right now because of protocol compatibility issues. |
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Post by popmann on Oct 27, 2016 9:57:24 GMT -6
I'm sorry, but no....they lost me at a modern computer with a hybrid drive for $3500. Especially when I can have a new intel i7 NUC with a nearly 10k benching processor, 16gb of RAM and a 512gb PCIe SSD for $1k. That IS about the size of that base. Yes, of course the multitouch thing is cool--and is mature (since Win7) and no one supports it in software. A fully multitouch monitor for your Win10 machine isn't THAT expensive if you want it for the "ooh ahh" factor....hell--you can go to RETAIL and buy an off the shelf HP or something with that size screen and multitouch connected to a shitty computer, like that.
To the joking bit of the title....I can name you 100 reasons to not buy Apple products for the studio. This ain't one.
You can build MONSTER (and mostly silent solid state) Win10 machine for $1500....add the multitouch panel of your choosing....and other than the neat contextual knob (how do you do that with the panel upright, ehm).....this has been there SINCE Win7. No one is using it.
So, technically, if you see this and think of all the possibilities....you're actually better OFF buying Logic. Because when Apple finally gets the OSX/iOS merged, there will be a completely new version of Logic Pro that WON'T work with a mouse because it's been redesigned FOR the new hardware....meanwhile, multitouch has been available to devs on the Windows side now for what 8+ years? And no one is taking advantage of it....so, see--this is a reason TO buy Apple. Just not yet. Because you'll have to rebuy the ENTIRE system when they get around to making that change!!
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Post by Ward on Oct 27, 2016 11:25:12 GMT -6
Well that's great for you guys...
But I'm really happy working away running PT10.3 HD3 on my Mac Pro running OS X Lion, 10.7.x no issues recording 36 inputs/tracks at a time...
And do you know what I do when it crashes?
Neither do I. It has never crashed.
BAMMM!!!
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Post by svart on Oct 27, 2016 12:17:58 GMT -6
My 300$ core I3 running a few gig of ram and some mechanical harddrives runs 50+ tracks pretty OK... It also has never crashed. I did have a bad stick of RAM once though. Replaced that and pretty flawless.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 27, 2016 13:41:24 GMT -6
Well that's great for you guys... But I'm really happy working away running PT10.3 HD3 on my Mac Pro running OS X Lion, 10.7.x no issues recording 36 inputs/tracks at a time... And do you know what I do when it crashes? Neither do I. It has never crashed. BAMMM!!! Hello my fellow 10.7 lion OS X and fellow PT 10.3 amigo  Gotta love RTAS & TDM |
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Post by drbill on Oct 27, 2016 14:02:16 GMT -6
I think I'll stick with Mac. There are plenty of gripes I have with Apple, but for me - IMO - it's still the best option out there.....
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Post by sopwith on Oct 27, 2016 14:42:31 GMT -6
Anyone here now using a multitouch screen with a DAW? Raven MTi? Does it work/make sense? - I control Ableton with Yeco on a Surface Pro - have to say, it works incredibly well. It's connected to Ableton through the Live API, so all functions, devices, and plugin parameters can be adjusted, plus it has x-y pads, midi controls, and midi pads for when I want to tap out drum parts I have in my head. For performance, I use a combination of connected hardware (keyboards, pedals, amp, guitar) and VST instruments running in Live on the Surface, controlled with Yeco. For recording & Mixing, I use a couple of different multitouch programs to control Live on my desktop machine (i7, 32GB RAM, etc etc) via midi over IP. Really great for tracking myself. |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 27, 2016 18:12:30 GMT -6
I think they hinted at it a little there, but I think the sexiest part of a music studio is the room and people involved in the project, along with the required equipments. Mac VS Pc is a funny arugment these days, it's more like what brand of cigarettes do you smoke, haha.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Oct 28, 2016 10:10:59 GMT -6
Mac or PC does not matter to make music. But this thing is damn sexy !
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Post by svart on Oct 28, 2016 11:27:14 GMT -6
Mac or PC does not matter to make music. But this thing is damn sexy ! Yes, that's true. Nowadays with MACs being nothing more than Intel PCs running a different OS, there is little difference in actual hardware. The differences just boil down to aesthetic, price and personal preference for the OS haptics. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 28, 2016 15:12:38 GMT -6
No wonder Macs have been getting sketchier and sketchier.....  |
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Post by Ward on Oct 29, 2016 7:29:52 GMT -6
No wonder Macs have been getting sketchier and sketchier..... I couldn't agree more!! I think the reason my Mac Pro is as solid as it is, is because it's a Westmere... the top of the line, loaded, at the time. So everything was still at a premium. But boy howdy, what a ROCK SOLID architecture it is. And every component is built to last. Still running like a champion 4 years later. |
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Post by joseph on Oct 29, 2016 8:20:14 GMT -6
It's easier to create a stable software ecosystem when you have a limited range of hardware, and a Unix derived OS, which also makes command environment much simpler for cross-platform developer tools.
While the troubleshooting mechanics have gotten much better since Windows 7, it's hard to forget the trauma of a corrupted registry, and it can still be a pain to make sure all your drivers are up to date and not causing problems or being overwritten in updates.
With OS X is usually a matter of an application, plugin, or recording interface control not having been updated for the latest OS. Otherwise, problems tend to be bad RAM, or some other easily identified hardware issue, or people getting confused about iCloud syncing, losing their contacts etc. Not an inherent software stability problem in the OS itself.
Which is why I don't update my OS very often.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 29, 2016 8:32:12 GMT -6
It's easier to create a stable software ecosystem when you have a limited range of hardware, and a Unix derived OS, which also makes command environment much simpler for cross-platform developer tools. While the troubleshooting mechanics have gotten much better since Windows 7, it's hard to forget the trauma of a corrupted registry, and it can still be a pain to make sure all your drivers are up to date and not causing problems or being overwritten in updates. With OS X is usually a matter of an application, plugin, or recording interface control not having been updated for the latest OS. Otherwise, problems tend to be bad RAM, or some other easily identified hardware issue, or people getting confused about iCloud syncing, losing their contacts etc. Not an inherent software stability problem in the OS itself. Which is why I don't update my OS very often. I agree with all of this. The problem I have is that Apple keeps updating their OS. The updates seem to be sooner and sooner these days, which removes support for the older OS's sooner. I need to have a supported OS to work my day job. It would be less of an issue if I had a dedicated recording machine, but I do a lot of remote work, so having the laptop as my day machine and recording machine satisfies my needs, as long as Apple keeps the Pro in their MacBook Pro line. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 29, 2016 9:18:13 GMT -6
It's easier to create a stable software ecosystem when you have a limited range of hardware, and a Unix derived OS, which also makes command environment much simpler for cross-platform developer tools. While the troubleshooting mechanics have gotten much better since Windows 7, it's hard to forget the trauma of a corrupted registry, and it can still be a pain to make sure all your drivers are up to date and not causing problems or being overwritten in updates. With OS X is usually a matter of an application, plugin, or recording interface control not having been updated for the latest OS. Otherwise, problems tend to be bad RAM, or some other easily identified hardware issue, or people getting confused about iCloud syncing, losing their contacts etc. Not an inherent software stability problem in the OS itself. Which is why I don't update my OS very often. I agree with all of this. The problem I have is that Apple keeps updating their OS. The updates seem to be sooner and sooner these days, which removes support for the older OS's sooner. YES! My #1 gripe with apple. Sloooow it down! |
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Post by jimwilliams on Oct 29, 2016 11:40:30 GMT -6
My core 7 Intel I got for a trade. Almost free in the end. Loaded up, it does everything I want a PC to do. The savings go into audio hardware like mics. That's where the difference lies to the end listener.
Not using Win 10, I don't trust it and so far I don't need it. I only do mastering audio on it and video work, it's perfect for that. The rest is pcb CAD/simulation programs, Audio Precision analyzer operating systems, mostly engineering crap that seems to be more PC friendly.
Wouldn't an Intel PC with a selectable Win or mac OS solve all those differences in one machine?
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Post by jayson on Oct 29, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -6
Wouldn't an Intel PC with a selectable Win or mac OS solve all those differences in one machine? Already exists in the mac world: Boot Camp. You can run any OS you want. |
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