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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 28, 2016 12:02:43 GMT -6
Does your Svartbox shave the transients? How do you achieve this? If you run too hot into the converter, won't it just be clipping in the DAW? Yes, that's what I use exclusively now. It's as simple as pushing the level into the converter until I hear digital clipping, then backing off a few dB. In the DAW it ends up looking like all the remaining transients are the same level, rather than having some poking out more. It's more art than science I guess. You just have to listen to what you're doing and be careful. It's pretty much the same as the guys in the 80's and 90's pushing hard to tape or the guys who figured out they could push the early Apogee converters to get more level. Huh. I haven't really noticed this with the mastering sessions I've been doing, but I haven't been looking for it either. I'm running though a large chain of hardware, so I figured any change was coming from that. I'll have to keep my eyes open. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 28, 2016 15:28:16 GMT -6
I get the idea all rap and hip-hop is converter clipping rather than limiting. I have a former rock/pop client who does all his own recording now, he despises compressors and uses converter clipping on all tracks and mix.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 30, 2016 6:29:17 GMT -6
I get the idea all rap and hip-hop is converter clipping rather than limiting. I have a former rock/pop client who does all his own recording now, he despises compressors and uses converter clipping on all tracks and mix. Probably one of the major reasons that I despise the sonics on all this "modern" stuff. It becomes unlistenable very quickly. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 30, 2016 9:31:19 GMT -6
I get the idea all rap and hip-hop is converter clipping rather than limiting. I have a former rock/pop client who does all his own recording now, he despises compressors and uses converter clipping on all tracks and mix. Any specific examples with rap? I mainly work in that genre and unless you are talking a major label release that is Mastered by a Glenn Shick, Brian Gardner, or another very experienced pro, the clipping may be there due to a number of factors other than being intentional:) if you listen to any of my mixes I consistently am at -7 RMS without clipping, even at the mix stage the DR reflects This.... |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 30, 2016 9:40:47 GMT -6
Times may have changed. I can't point to specific examples, only quote a few mastering guys I've worked with who've all said this at some point. "The subwoofer in the trunk sounds better with converter clipping".
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2016 11:19:24 GMT -6
I get the idea all rap and hip-hop is converter clipping rather than limiting. I have a former rock/pop client who does all his own recording now, he despises compressors and uses converter clipping on all tracks and mix. All of us non-hip hop, non-rap guys from the 50s to the 90s are just as equally guilty... we drove the piss out of analog tape and used that for a lot of our compression. So, perhaps we shouldn't cast stones from inside our glass houses.  |
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 2, 2016 14:42:08 GMT -6
I get the idea all rap and hip-hop is converter clipping rather than limiting. I have a former rock/pop client who does all his own recording now, he despises compressors and uses converter clipping on all tracks and mix. All of us non-hip hop, non-rap guys from the 50s to the 90s are just as equally guilty... we drove the piss out of analog tape and used that for a lot of our compression. So, perhaps we shouldn't cast stones from inside our glass houses. Overdrive analog tape sounds nothing like clipping out digital conversion. Digital clipping is ugly and even in small amounts produces ear fatigue very rapidly. And not everbody overdrives their analog tape, and if they do not on all channels. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 2, 2016 15:14:57 GMT -6
True... but you knew where I was coming from, right?
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Post by EmRR on Nov 2, 2016 18:41:54 GMT -6
I have encountered a few pop projects funded by labels that hired 'hot new talent' to do the mixes, all of which have used converter clipping in the mixes as part of the sound. Bad form really, nothing like handicapping the mastering guy.
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Post by donr on Nov 2, 2016 18:57:20 GMT -6
So when do we get the Converter Clipper plug-in? (Running and ducking.)
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 2, 2016 19:10:12 GMT -6
Manley Vari-Mu. Arguably the most used mastering compressor of all time. Recently, I bought one and am surprised about how much I use it to track and mix with as well. But for mastering, that and a silver bullet takes care of most of my "transient" issues. It's beautifully creamy vibe is an addition, and it just sounds "like a record".....polished. Wish I had two... PS - I should add that for mastering, I do put a brick wall limiter after the manley and everything else in the chain to insure my peaks don't get to 0dbFS. Mastering version? How many different versions are there? |
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 2, 2016 19:11:12 GMT -6
Manley Vari-Mu. Arguably the most used mastering compressor of all time. Recently, I bought one and am surprised about how much I use it to track and mix with as well. But for mastering, that and a silver bullet takes care of most of my "transient" issues. It's beautifully creamy vibe is an addition, and it just sounds "like a record".....polished. Wish I had two... PS - I should add that for mastering, I do put a brick wall limiter after the manley and everything else in the chain to insure my peaks don't get to 0dbFS. Mastering version? How many different versions are there? Do they all have the same features? |
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Post by guitfiddler on Nov 2, 2016 19:12:06 GMT -6
Mastering version? How many different versions are there? Do they all have the same features? I have seen prices vary greatly on this box. Are they like 1176's? Some sound good and some are duds? |
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Post by drbill on Nov 2, 2016 21:57:19 GMT -6
There are proponents of both early models, and the newer ones as well. But the limiting factor (sorry for the pun...  ) for earlier units is the 6386 tubes. They are VERY difficult to fine in NOS good condition. This has led to newer options for tubes (can't remember the number), or the TBar mod which closely approximates each 6386 with two tubes. All controls are stepped for mastering versions. There are some options that affect price - like HPF Sidechain, MS mod, TBar mod to replace the near unobtanium 6386's, and I think that's it...oh, I think they can accommodate linking for surround as well.... |
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 3, 2016 1:52:02 GMT -6
I have encountered a few pop projects funded by labels that hired 'hot new talent' to do the mixes, all of which have used converter clipping in the mixes as part of the sound. Bad form really, nothing like handicapping the mastering guy. If someone did that to my music I'd shoot him. No, not literally, but I'd want to. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2016 5:24:13 GMT -6
I have encountered a few pop projects funded by labels that hired 'hot new talent' to do the mixes, all of which have used converter clipping in the mixes as part of the sound. Bad form really, nothing like handicapping the mastering guy. If someone did that to my music I'd shoot him. No, not literally, but I'd want to. Got any samples we can hear? |
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 3, 2016 10:18:20 GMT -6
Inserting an analog EQ would require an extra round trip through the converters. Is that what you want to do?
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Post by EmRR on Nov 3, 2016 11:56:34 GMT -6
Inserting an analog EQ would require an extra round trip through the converters. Is that what you want to do? It's what the vast majority of mastering houses do, using their years of experience and developed 'best practices'. |
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) for earlier units is the 6386 tubes. They are VERY difficult to fine in NOS good condition. This has led to newer options for tubes (can't remember the number), or the TBar mod which closely approximates each 6386 with two tubes.
