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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 23, 2016 20:20:48 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 23, 2016 20:27:48 GMT -6
New Lauten Audio "Black" Mics series that goes along with la220 and tube la320.. the la320 has been getting pretty good reviews considering its price point..I tried to find a 3rd party review on the la-120 pair but sweetwater reviews were the best I could find aside from ads. here is a couple links www.harmonycentral.com/expert-reviews/lauten-audio-la-320-large-diaphragm-tube-condenser-microphonewww.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LA120/reviewsNot trying to persuade you in another direction, however the 3u Audio warbler series is priced very favorable to the fet la-220 with more choices as far sound profiles... I believe it's the mk1d that's started the craze because it had a great quality non oem capsule and the same transformer windings , pcb, and Fairchild fet the u87 uses... Others know way more about the 3u Audio so just ask if you are interested or search this forum  www.3uaudio.com/cp.asp?id=673 Not to rag on the black series Mics but the Miktek microphones that I have heard and used are a higher-quality than the same price point Lauten Audio Mics... the cv4 sounds more correct than the Oceanus, and the fab DuPont fet mic is the best of the bunch. MK 300 is definitely worth a look at this price point it's got Miktek capsule and transformer, i.e. Not OEM www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MK300 |
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 24, 2016 22:11:50 GMT -6
Thanks Chase
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 26, 2016 6:29:15 GMT -6
I have an Atlantis that I like, however more out of curiosity than necessity, I am interested in the WA87 over the LA-220. Maybe because it has the number "87" in the name?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 26, 2016 8:15:15 GMT -6
I once did a shootout between my old Blackspade UM-17B, and the Lauten Atlantis at Fab Dupont's Flux Studios, straight though his vintage Neve console. The Blackspade was better, more transparency, and no extra EQ needed to get it to sit in the track. I'd have bought the Atlantis then if it was better.
So, I'd look closely at the WA-87 too. Bryce at Warm Audio usually gets it right, so there's no reason to think he'll miss the target this time.
I'd love to hear the Lauten Audio "Eden" though, it looks like it could be wonderful.
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 26, 2016 11:52:09 GMT -6
I once did a shootout between my old Blackspade UM-17B, and the Lauten Atlantis at Fab Dupont's Flux Studios, straight though his vintage Neve console. The Blackspade was better, more transparency, and no extra EQ needed to get it to sit in the track. I'd have bought the Atlantis then if it was better. So, I'd look closely at the WA-87 too. Bryce at Warm Audio usually gets it right, so there's no reason to think he'll miss the target this time. I'd love to hear the Lauten Audio "Eden" though, it looks like it could be wonderful. So you compared a Tube mic to a FET mic? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 26, 2016 12:43:19 GMT -6
It wasn't about doing some kind of scientific method shootout. I had just gotten the Thiersch M7 capsule installed in my Blackspade, but still wasn't sure it was the right fit for my voice.
I was interested in the Atlantis, and at its price point, I could have sold the Blackspade to buy the Atlantis without putting out any more money. Fab Dupont had a part in that mic's development, so he had one at his studios. It was great to get a chance to try them under such cool conditions. The Blackspade was better all around, so I stopped looking around.
I've had very good luck with vintage U87's years ago, so it didn't matter to me, tube or FET, I was just looking for the best sound for my voice I could afford.
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Post by Randge on Oct 26, 2016 16:43:25 GMT -6
It wasn't about doing some kind of scientific method shootout. I had just gotten the Thiersch M7 capsule installed in my Blackspade, but still wasn't sure it was the right fit for my voice. I was interested in the Atlantis, and at its price point, I could have sold the Blackspade to buy the Atlantis without putting out any more money. Fab Dupont had a part in that mic's development, so he had one at his studios. It was great to get a chance to try them under such cool conditions. The Blackspade was better all around, so I stopped looking around. I've had very good luck with vintage U87's years ago, so it didn't matter to me, tube or FET, I was just looking for the best sound for my voice I could afford. What was the rest of the chain? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 26, 2016 21:06:42 GMT -6
It was straight through Fab's vintage Neve console. For the test, we used no compression or EQ at all. It was a 1974 discrete Neve 53 series broadcast console. I just checked, but I've deleted the files, or I'd post them for you. The Atlantis was bottom heavy and sibilant, needed a lot of EQ. The Blackspade needed nothing when placed in the track I sang too.
I'd love to hear the new Lauten Audio Eden though, that looks pretty bad ass.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 27, 2016 12:47:17 GMT -6
It was straight through Fab's vintage Neve console. For the test, we used no compression or EQ at all. It was a 1974 discrete Neve 53 series broadcast console. I just checked, but I've deleted the files, or I'd post them for you. The Atlantis was bottom heavy and sibilant, needed a lot of EQ. The Blackspade needed nothing when placed in the track I sang too. I'd love to hear the new Lauten Audio Eden though, that looks pretty bad ass. I highly doubt Fab DuPont, who knows his control room better than anyone, who was contracted to help create the sound of the fet mic, that has his name on it as the developer, would produce a mic that sounds " bottom heavy and sibilant, needed a lot of eq " according to your description. Also, the mic has theee character settings as well, which give it a wide variety of tonality... This is Lauten Audio best sounding mic IMO and others ( haven't heard new flagship eden). I have used it and cannot agree with you, which is fine because there is no right or wrong in our opinions. However there is such thing as embellishing the truth and I feel your choice of words are exactly that. In the same song, same control room, same signal chain, same voice, same monitors, same position singing in the room, its hard to believe there would be that much of a 180 difference as you describe with two high quality Mics...Your Blackspade fit in the track perfect and needed nothing.... Ok again with this same room interaction, same signal chain, same preamp, same song, same voice, this "take with Blackspade", needed nothing, which is puzzling because everything I have listed between commas are all factors that lead to the final recorded audio that you are playing back and hearing through monitors in a control room, and all of those characteristics are present in both files...., IDK, it really could boil down to how well you sung on each mic, and maybe the take you sang with the fet mic wasn't as passionate as the Blackspade mic you were comfortable singing into? Have a great day making great music |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 27, 2016 13:54:02 GMT -6
Hi Chase, sometimes things don't quite come across right when typing, because the tone you would say it in makes the meaning a little different :-)
When I did the comparison, Fab was in another room, although it was his suggestion I try the Neve board. One of his engineers helped me. I had no predisposition to like one over the other, in fact, I was hoping the Atlantis would win, if anything.
Everything was the same for both mics. We purposely used no processing, other than the board itself. I simply sang along to a track I had. I sent files to Cowboycoalminer, and he said the same thing. He thought the Atlantis needed to be high pass filtered and was more sibilant, and would need quite a bit of EQ.
I'm glad to hear that's not been your experience, I kind of liked the Atlantis, because it was similar to, but sounded better than two vintage U47 FET mics I'd used just prior to going to Fab's. That says something right there I think. But, it was was what it was when it came to my vocal, so don't shoot the messenger ;-)
I had to sell the Blackspade, but it has nearly identical components to mics that sell for $4,000-$6,000, so it's not a surprise that it sounded better than the Atlantis as a main vocal mic. But then, the U67 and U47 sounded better than the Blackspade when I did my high end shootout with Jeremy Gillespie, so it does seem you get what you pay for when it comes to high end mics. Clearly it's not easy to find a mic you love, unless you have a pretty big budget. I'd happily buy a U67 if I could, and my vocal mic search would be over!
That's why I'm curious about the Lauten Eden. I heard something very good with the Atlantis, and perhaps they've tweaked that design with the Eden and I'd love it.
The Soyuz 0-19 would be worth a look for anyone with the money for the Atlantis, it sounds superb.
Back to the original topic, I always like to hear about new mics that are relatively inexpensive. I often have to recommend mics to my students, and I keep an open mind, because one day I might find one of the $300-$500 mics might be a gem for my voice.
I'm sorry I deleted those files when I was dealing with some serious issues last week.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 27, 2016 18:28:05 GMT -6
Hi Chase, sometimes things don't quite come across right when typing, because the tone you would say it in makes the meaning a little different :-) When I did the comparison, Fab was in another room, although it was his suggestion I try the Neve board. One of his engineers helped me. I had no predisposition to like one over the other, in fact, I was hoping the Atlantis would win, if anything. Everything was the same for both mics. We purposely used no processing, other than the board itself. I simply sang along to a track I had. I sent files to Cowboycoalminer, and he said the same thing. He thought the Atlantis needed to be high pass filtered and was more sibilant, and would need quite a bit of EQ. I'm glad to hear that's not been your experience, I kind of liked the Atlantis, because it was similar to, but sounded better than two vintage U47 FET mics I'd used just prior to going to Fab's. That says something right there I think. But, it was was what it was when it came to my vocal, so don't shoot the messenger ;-) I had to sell the Blackspade, but it has nearly identical components to mics that sell for $4,000-$6,000, so it's not a surprise that it sounded better than the Atlantis as a main vocal mic. But then, the U67 and U47 sounded better than the Blackspade when I did my high end shootout with Jeremy Gillespie, so it does seem you get what you pay for when it comes to high end mics. Clearly it's not easy to find a mic you love, unless you have a pretty big budget. I'd happily buy a U67 if I could, and my vocal mic search would be over! That's why I'm curious about the Lauten Eden. I heard something very good with the Atlantis, and perhaps they've tweaked that design with the Eden and I'd love it. The Soyuz 0-19 would be worth a look for anyone with the money for the Atlantis, it sounds superb. Back to the original topic, I always like to hear about new mics that are relatively inexpensive. I often have to recommend mics to my students, and I keep an open mind, because one day I might find one of the $300-$500 mics might be a gem for my voice. I'm sorry I deleted those files when I was dealing with some serious issues last week. Ok no worries again no right or wrong... can I help you ? You want a u67 but don't have $10,000? I don't either.... do you have $2400-$2600? You can purchase a new or used tlm67 which uses the same u67 capsule then purchase the u67mod from max at I/o audio.. used tlm67 are $1800 about the kit is $800 ( I think ) and stands tall to original u67s. The electronics swap out and turn your tlm into a u67 with real tube... links below. The swap out takes 1 minute is non destructive and if you like people are buying the tlm67's electronics which will further offset the cost! I tried to find a non purple site link but this post is most recent and you can order now, plus it has the instructions... www.gearslutz.com/board/12214612-post536.htmlvintageking.com/neumann-tlm-67?gclid=COHCjOWe_M8CFYY2gQodRooNTg |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 27, 2016 22:34:29 GMT -6
I remember reading a little about the TLM 67 mod. Oliver Archut had one I believe. I only just discovered the 67 suits me best. Since I had to sell my Blackspade and my vintage ES-335 this summer to pay my bills, it may be quite a while before I'm back on my feet and shopping for a new mic. I'd probably have to dig a little and hear the modded TLM 67 though, because the Soyuz 0-17 uses a very similar capsule and is a monster too.
All in good time I hope. Thanks for the links Chase, I'll look at them tomorrow, my eyes are closing right now.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 28, 2016 8:01:47 GMT -6
I like the low end on those tracks Chase!
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