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Post by joseph on Oct 3, 2016 18:17:03 GMT -6
Holy moly
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Post by aremos on Oct 3, 2016 19:10:18 GMT -6
Great! Love all the Josephson stuff,
So, which capsule ... the one in the 716 or 715?
What tube?
Cost?
No info on Josephson.com
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Post by Ward on Oct 3, 2016 19:20:56 GMT -6
Good luck to him.
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Post by joseph on Oct 3, 2016 19:31:21 GMT -6
It's their CK12 style capsule.
Top tier mic, 8800.
So 251/Brauner VMA territory.
Wowza
Bet it sounds amazing, going on their other mics.
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Post by aremos on Oct 3, 2016 20:28:29 GMT -6
That's twice the price of the 716, which has that capsule. (And is cardioid only.)
Wonder how different this tube model with patterns is. How differently audible each will be if you A/B them in cardioid?
And yes, that price will compete with the Sony C800G & Brauner VMA.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 4, 2016 12:35:41 GMT -6
I absolutely love the way the grille/ headbasket looks/ is made! The tube characteristics are available with the low noise and ease of maintenance of FET mics, I wish they would have elaborated more in layman terms regarding the mic's sound! I mean for $8800 you should get something that sounds above and beyond other mics, but also fancies the eye  I think an Upton 251 and Flea 47 would cover way more ground in the studio than one of these:) |
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Post by aremos on Oct 4, 2016 16:47:15 GMT -6
Or with both the Josephson 715 (w/ a "dark" C-37 type capsule) & a 716 (ck-12 type capsule) you have a lot covered.
Definitely have to get my hands on the Upton & try it!
For the "47" flavor I like the Bock 47 (407) out of all those I've tried.
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 8, 2017 8:18:33 GMT -6
I absolutely love the way the grille/ headbasket looks/ is made! The tube characteristics are available with the low noise and ease of maintenance of FET mics, I wish they would have elaborated more in layman terms regarding the mic's sound! I mean for $8800 you should get something that sounds above and beyond other mics, but also fancies the eye I think an Upton 251 and Flea 47 would cover way more ground in the studio than one of these:) I demoed the C-725 in my studio on a number of things and I was actually surprised just how versatile this mic sounded, on a lot of different sources with the different modes and patterns. The compression quality in sun mode is breathtaking. We actually ended up using it in "Wide Cardioid", Sun Mode on a Ancient Middle eastern String instrument about 4-5 feet up. And it really did something amazing. It's somewhat unique, but has qualities of their other microphones, plus a larger wider sound than any c12 or 251 I have heard. Though not unlike that tone, its way more broad in the stereo image. Very Large and Full sounding with overtones on the bottom end and softening on the top end. Its bright but super natural sounding. Sun mode softens the attack and adds a really unique vibe. Moon mode has a more pushed back mid range and goes even wider. Its more linear but raises the compression point higher. I actually think this mic would give any C12 or U47 mic a run for the money. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 8, 2017 13:02:57 GMT -6
I absolutely love the way the grille/ headbasket looks/ is made! The tube characteristics are available with the low noise and ease of maintenance of FET mics, I wish they would have elaborated more in layman terms regarding the mic's sound! I mean for $8800 you should get something that sounds above and beyond other mics, but also fancies the eye I think an Upton 251 and Flea 47 would cover way more ground in the studio than one of these:) I demoed the C-725 in my studio on a number of things and I was actually surprised just how versatile this mic sounded, on a lot of different sources with the different modes and patterns. The compression quality in sun mode is breathtaking. We actually ended up using it in "Wide Cardioid", Sun Mode on a Ancient Middle eastern String instrument about 4-5 feet up. And it really did something amazing. It's somewhat unique, but has qualities of their other microphones, plus a larger wider sound than any c12 or 251 I have heard. Though not unlike that tone, its way more broad in the stereo image. Very Large and Full sounding with overtones on the bottom end and softening on the top end. Its bright but super natural sounding. Sun mode softens the attack and adds a really unique vibe. Moon mode has a more pushed back mid range and goes even wider. Its more linear but raises the compression point higher. I actually think this mic would give any C12 or U47 mic a run for the money. Please enlighten me - what are "sun" and "moon" modes? I haven't encountered those terms before. |
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Post by swurveman on Sept 8, 2017 13:59:48 GMT -6
I think the grille looks like an old bee/wasp's nest. Big risk for an $8,800.00 mic imo. Thumbs up for bravery and going for a unique look though.  |
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Post by joseph on Sept 8, 2017 15:04:39 GMT -6
I think the grille looks like an old bee/wasp's nest. Big risk for an $8,800.00 mic imo. Thumbs up for bravery and going for a unique look though. The design comes from their C716 and 715. It diffuses sibilant resonances and plosives. |
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Post by rowmat on Sept 8, 2017 17:16:17 GMT -6
I demoed the C-725 in my studio on a number of things and I was actually surprised just how versatile this mic sounded, on a lot of different sources with the different modes and patterns. The compression quality in sun mode is breathtaking. We actually ended up using it in "Wide Cardioid", Sun Mode on a Ancient Middle eastern String instrument about 4-5 feet up. And it really did something amazing. It's somewhat unique, but has qualities of their other microphones, plus a larger wider sound than any c12 or 251 I have heard. Though not unlike that tone, its way more broad in the stereo image. Very Large and Full sounding with overtones on the bottom end and softening on the top end. Its bright but super natural sounding. Sun mode softens the attack and adds a really unique vibe. Moon mode has a more pushed back mid range and goes even wider. Its more linear but raises the compression point higher. I actually think this mic would give any C12 or U47 mic a run for the money. Please enlighten me - what are "sun" and "moon" modes? I haven't encountered those terms before. I was given a mic once that someone found in a dumpster. It had setting called "uranus". I tried it but it sounded like arse.  |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 8, 2017 20:17:04 GMT -6
Please enlighten me - what are "sun" and "moon" modes? I haven't encountered those terms before. I was given a mic once that someone found in a dumpster. It had setting called "uranus". I tried it but it sounded like arse.  Serioously though, what do these modes do? |
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 9, 2017 5:34:48 GMT -6
I demoed the C-725 in my studio on a number of things and I was actually surprised just how versatile this mic sounded, on a lot of different sources with the different modes and patterns. The compression quality in sun mode is breathtaking. We actually ended up using it in "Wide Cardioid", Sun Mode on a Ancient Middle eastern String instrument about 4-5 feet up. And it really did something amazing. It's somewhat unique, but has qualities of their other microphones, plus a larger wider sound than any c12 or 251 I have heard. Though not unlike that tone, its way more broad in the stereo image. Very Large and Full sounding with overtones on the bottom end and softening on the top end. Its bright but super natural sounding. Sun mode softens the attack and adds a really unique vibe. Moon mode has a more pushed back mid range and goes even wider. Its more linear but raises the compression point higher. I actually think this mic would give any C12 or U47 mic a run for the money. Please enlighten me - what are "sun" and "moon" modes? I haven't encountered those terms before. Why would you? Unless you work at Josephson designing mics. They are two different amplifier configurations. The ‘sun’ mode provides full gain with noticeable tube character, and compression to peaks, while the ‘moon’ mode is designed to be more linear, by re configuring the output transformer, adding a little bit of linearizing negative feedback, with less gain, and higher compression characteristic. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 9, 2017 11:53:32 GMT -6
Please enlighten me - what are "sun" and "moon" modes? I haven't encountered those terms before. Why would you? Unless you work at Josephson designing mics. They are two different amplifier configurations. The ‘sun’ mode provides full gain with noticeable tube character, and compression to peaks, while the ‘moon’ mode is designed to be more linear, by re configuring the output transformer, adding a little bit of linearizing negative feedback, with less gain, and higher compression characteristic. Thanks! Why would I? Well, if a company expects me to be interested in buying/using their product I'd expect them to describe it in terms that actually mean something. To me. Without relying on my admittedly spotty psychic ability to understand them. I don't really understand why companies use meaninless terms to advertise their products. In this case I'm interested because Josephson makes great mics and I've spend a fair amount of time conversing with them at AES shows - they've never struck me as the sort to use meaningless buzz words. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 9, 2017 14:32:15 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 9, 2017 22:57:13 GMT -6
Thank you so much! That's exactly what I was looking for. "Sun" and "moon" make sense if one knows they stand for "warm" and "cool". |
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 10, 2017 5:43:11 GMT -6
Why would you? Unless you work at Josephson designing mics. They are two different amplifier configurations. The ‘sun’ mode provides full gain with noticeable tube character, and compression to peaks, while the ‘moon’ mode is designed to be more linear, by re configuring the output transformer, adding a little bit of linearizing negative feedback, with less gain, and higher compression characteristic. Thanks! Why would I? Well, if a company expects me to be interested in buying/using their product I'd expect them to describe it in terms that actually mean something. To me. Without relying on my admittedly spotty psychic ability to understand them. I don't really understand why companies use meaninless terms to advertise their products. In this case I'm interested because Josephson makes great mics and I've spend a fair amount of time conversing with them at AES shows - they've never struck me as the sort to use meaningless buzz words. Uhm, that is not at all what I meant. I meant that since no one has ever used Sun and Moon to describe technical modes of a mic before. It is not like your going to understand it from a post. I gather, It not only made you interested, but also annoyed you. Which is strange, since Josephson has made good descriptions of these technical modes, that are easy to find on the internet by using a search engine. Instead of complaining about it here, you should probably call them. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 10, 2017 11:44:23 GMT -6
Thanks! Why would I? Well, if a company expects me to be interested in buying/using their product I'd expect them to describe it in terms that actually mean something. To me. Without relying on my admittedly spotty psychic ability to understand them. I don't really understand why companies use meaninless terms to advertise their products. In this case I'm interested because Josephson makes great mics and I've spend a fair amount of time conversing with them at AES shows - they've never struck me as the sort to use meaningless buzz words. Uhm, that is not at all what I meant. I meant that since no one has ever used Sun and Moon to describe technical modes of a mic before. It is not like your going to understand it from a post. I gather, It not only made you interested, but also annoyed you. Which is strange, since Josephson has made good descriptions of these technical modes, that are easy to find on the internet by using a search engine. Instead of complaining about it here, you should probably call them. Actually, jcoutu1 posted a link to the company page on the mic, which I should have had the sense to look up myself but didn't. <facepalm>. It is one of my personal foibles that I tend to be a bit annoyed by cutesy names in technical descriptions. Too often the marketing departments of companies use such names/labels to obfuscate what are actually fairly simple or common functions or features, but when I did get to the Josephson page it imediately became clear and I'll admit that it does kinda make sense in terms of compact symbols to label the switch on the mic. It's a lot more compact that printing the words "warm" and "cool" on the mic and arguably a lot more language agnostic. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Sept 11, 2017 7:11:11 GMT -6
Uhm, that is not at all what I meant. I meant that since no one has ever used Sun and Moon to describe technical modes of a mic before. It is not like your going to understand it from a post. I gather, It not only made you interested, but also annoyed you. Which is strange, since Josephson has made good descriptions of these technical modes, that are easy to find on the internet by using a search engine. Instead of complaining about it here, you should probably call them. Actually, jcoutu1 posted a link to the company page on the mic, which I should have had the sense to look up myself but didn't. <facepalm>. It is one of my personal foibles that I tend to be a bit annoyed by cutesy names in technical descriptions. Too often the marketing departments of companies use such names/labels to obfuscate what are actually fairly simple or common functions or features, but when I did get to the Josephson page it imediately became clear and I'll admit that it does kinda make sense in terms of compact symbols to label the switch on the mic. It's a lot more compact that printing the words "warm" and "cool" on the mic and arguably a lot more language agnostic. Having some insight into what you are saying... It is actually interesting how you interpret it here, because as I understand it, they used this nomenclature in hopes some of their "less technically minded" customers, would easier understand the "vibe" of such "abstract" terminology. As you suggest above. They normally do not engage in such practices, but as a long time "fan" of their work...I have always found them to mesh science with magic [pun intended]... Honestly though, since they aren't technical terms in the slightest, it should be noted that the lads over there do try and take their customers feedback. I was being completely serious about giving it to them. Because they value the user input. They just want to be the most specific mic builders on earth. While perhaps an "emotional" review of the sound, Sun and Moon mode, does not simply boil down to warm and cool. Its much more deep than that. So they really suggest listening to the mic yourself to determine which characteristics are best on each source. You can really never win when marketing things, even though its worth playing the game. Its always best when you design something with intention..here is no different. I think the potent point is that it while it may be confusing and odd at first glance -- it does strongly encourage people to "listen". A Few words that are powerful "depictions" of a sound.
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I think an Upton 251 and Flea 47 would cover way more ground in the studio than one of these:)
