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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 27, 2016 11:06:55 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Sept 27, 2016 11:59:25 GMT -6
The 16A, same price point has 16 analog LINE inputs and 16 analog LINE outputs. It ALSO has an ADAT IO.
That new thing has 8 universal variable impedance/variable gain combo jacks controllable from software for inputs, 2 sets of analog monitor outputs and a handful of ADAT ports.
I don't see anything similar other than the price point and calling themselves "16x16".
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 27, 2016 12:08:02 GMT -6
They make more than just that Element88, bro. There's also the Element46 and Element24...
I just meant that they're making a sabre32-based multi-channel thunderbolt audio interface for under 1500 now. Isn't that what those Motu boxes are?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 27, 2016 12:12:04 GMT -6
The console controller and phone app are nice touches: good package !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 27, 2016 12:22:28 GMT -6
Looks like upscale versions of the Focusrite Thunderbolt interfaces.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 27, 2016 14:43:24 GMT -6
It's interesting that they completely got rid of the GUI on the front panel that all of their other interfaces have. i wonder if that app is going to replace Maestro 2...
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Post by swurveman on Sept 27, 2016 14:56:10 GMT -6
I really liked the sound of the old Apogee 16 A-D when I first heard it during a period I shared a studio with a guy that had one. I had already built my studio around two Lynx Aurora 16's ( I am PC based) because of the price/performance - and figured I could get warmth from my outboard hardware- but to me from a pure sound standpoint I liked the Apogee better. The sound was warmer to me, which I know is a subjective thing.
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Post by ericn on Sept 27, 2016 15:04:35 GMT -6
These look like some rebranded OEM pieces, Apogee cashing in .
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Post by kilroyrock on Sept 28, 2016 5:33:11 GMT -6
Mac support only, no level metering.. 16A still wins!
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Post by svart on Sept 28, 2016 5:40:49 GMT -6
I really hate when companies do the whole "16 x 16 IO!!!!" When they really mean 8x useful inputs, 4x useful outputs, and 6 different adapters to use any of them at all, not to mention that some IO might not be available when you use other IO..
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2016 7:43:00 GMT -6
I really hate when companies do the whole "16 x 16 IO!!!!" When they really mean 8x useful inputs, 4x useful outputs, and 6 different adapters to use any of them at all, not to mention that some IO might not be available when you use other IO.. We called designing to win the spec sheet war! I hate it, and the bigger problem is it requires real reading comprehension skills! There is nothing worse than trying to sell a customer a product that truelly fits their needs after spending time really doing research than fielding calls about every fucking box that says it has the features in the blurb , but really doesn't add in the ones where you have to explain the Optical is either Spidif or Adat or the optical mirrors the copper Spdif ! it's great for guys taking orders, until return time ! Blurbs like this are why a good pimp asks why you want the product your ordering out of the blue, not because he wants to sell something else , but because returns suck! |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 28, 2016 8:02:48 GMT -6
4 of the outputs on the 88 are headphone outputs. Yes you read that correct, they are counting 2 headphone outs as 4 outputs. Who says they have sabre converter chips? On GS I read ensemble level conversion ( e2 conversion I'm guessing ) Weird, cheap looking products for Apogee, a quartet and duet refresh IMO would have been a bigger seller on all fronts.
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2016 9:23:05 GMT -6
4 of the outputs on the 88 are headphone outputs. Yes you read that correct, they are counting 2 headphone outs as 4 outputs. Who says they have sabre converter chips? On GS I read ensemble level conversion ( e2 conversion I'm guessing ) Weird, cheap looking products for Apogee, a quartet and duet refresh IMO would have been a bigger seller on all fronts. Like I said it reeks of OEM not a true Apogee developed product! Ensable, Duet, ect got Apogee a bunch of new dealers , now they have to fight to keep the shelf space ! The folks at Apoge are learning the fun lesson AVID learned when you go down market! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 12:58:26 GMT -6
Mac support only, no level metering.. 16A still wins! + scalability due to AVB open standard, making it possible to mix with other manufacturers devices, future-proof class compliant USB 2.0 (worked in every OS i tried it on, including Linuxes) etc... |
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Post by kilroyrock on Sept 29, 2016 12:59:46 GMT -6
I didn't know AVB was an open standard. that's awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 13:15:10 GMT -6
Yepp, it's a series of IEEE 802.1 standards by the TSN group. A network standard. Pretty cost effective due to streaming with regular network packaging over standard network cables. AFAIK Apple even inplemented an AVB network to audio bridging driver for the network port of their latest machines directly into OSX?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 13:30:28 GMT -6
I really liked the sound of the old Apogee 16 A-D when I first heard it during a period I shared a studio with a guy that had one. I had already built my studio around two Lynx Aurora 16's ( I am PC based) because of the price/performance - and figured I could get warmth from my outboard hardware- but to me from a pure sound standpoint I liked the Apogee better. The sound was warmer to me, which I know is a subjective thing. Wasn't this the first very popular Apogee AD that became famous for the analog soft-clipping circuit on the input? Engineers could slam the AD a bit more like analog tracking most were used to and it even sounded kind of cool. This made them very popular. Around here this was the studio standard of it's time, because people wanted this sound for rock and pop productions. Not the most transparent ADs, but very popular. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 29, 2016 14:00:49 GMT -6
Motu just released a $600 dollar interface that has triple the features of these, not to mention more I/O and is like the older brother A16 series with conversion. When companies like Motu are releasing products that are just as stable, more feature rich, and has sound quality that's on par why would anyone lean towards these iPhone app "interfaces"? You have to have the software to control the interface, I have enough software to deal with between pro tools, console app, and 9000 plugs  |
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Post by swurveman on Sept 29, 2016 14:57:52 GMT -6
I really liked the sound of the old Apogee 16 A-D when I first heard it during a period I shared a studio with a guy that had one. I had already built my studio around two Lynx Aurora 16's ( I am PC based) because of the price/performance - and figured I could get warmth from my outboard hardware- but to me from a pure sound standpoint I liked the Apogee better. The sound was warmer to me, which I know is a subjective thing. Wasn't this the first very popular Apogee AD that became famous for the analog soft-clipping circuit on the input? Engineers could slam the AD a bit more like analog tracking most were used to and it even sounded kind of cool. This made them very popular. Around here this was the studio standard of it's time, because people wanted this sound for rock and pop productions. Not the most transparent ADs, but very popular. I don't know about the circuit, but he had a Rosetta D/A 2-channel on the back end and it sounded great for rock, which is what he mostly recorded. I don't know about the new Apogee sound, but the old one was very good to my ears. |
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