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Post by geoff738 on Sept 17, 2016 13:11:15 GMT -6
Obviously you start at the source. I'm not a huge fan of most of the noiseless pickups - although there a few I haven't heard yet - and I am a fan of single coils and P90s.
So, hum. I'm used to it being a single coil guy for the most part. But I know it drives some folks absolutely nuts.
Other than steep cuts around 60 Hz and its multiples, what are you doing to reduce it. Are there good plugs that address this specifically?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by joseph on Sept 17, 2016 14:50:35 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Sept 17, 2016 17:14:31 GMT -6
Dude….I had no idea you could buy those aftermarket….though I was honestly looking at a new Suhr anyway….but, that would be a lovely addition to the one I have now….
I've never played the Dimarzios--heard good things. I've literally hated every noiseless "single coil" I've played. That said….a well shielded cavity, and it's not really that noisy. Unshielded, it's a bitch….as a player, I look at it like I have to be a little more OCD about amp setup/tube/pedals/wires/pedalpower….so that I'm not multiplying the single coil noise. My tracks are quieter than a lot of humbucker tracks I've gotten to mix.
Never with the digital filters. Good idea, but IME terrible results. I've even tried to clean up some tracks that were done, um elsewhere, with Izotope RX's offline noise reduction and filtering….it's ALL bad.
At the end of the day, the noisiest guitar tracks I think I've ever been sent were not noisy enough to be an issue in a mix--I top and tail them (effectively manual gating) so when they're not playing they're silent, and the change is graceful and musical enough that it doesn't sound weird like a logical gate would….
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Post by mulmany on Sept 17, 2016 17:30:18 GMT -6
Are we talking guitar, or other gear?
Like pop said, shielding is a big help on the guitar itself. I do the cavity and the back of the pickguard. Also make sure your bridge ground is good. The bridge ground can be a pain sometimes.
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 17, 2016 20:56:56 GMT -6
Are we talking guitar, or other gear? Like pop said, shielding is a big help on the guitar itself. I do the cavity and the back of the pickguard. Also make sure your bridge ground is good. The bridge ground can be a pain sometimes. I was thinking guitars, but it's all good. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 17, 2016 21:00:35 GMT -6
Never with the digital filters. Good idea, but IME terrible results. I've even tried to clean up some tracks that were done, um elsewhere, with Izotope RX's offline noise reduction and filtering….it's ALL bad. At the end of the day, the noisiest guitar tracks I think I've ever been sent were not noisy enough to be an issue in a mix--I top and tail them (effectively manual gating) so when they're not playing they're silent, and the change is graceful and musical enough that it doesn't sound weird like a logical gate would…. I would've thought a plug dealing with this would be a no-brainer. Kinda amazed there doesn't seem to be a cheap, effective digital filter/ plugin. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 17, 2016 22:33:29 GMT -6
61hz roll off
Sorry
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 17, 2016 22:54:26 GMT -6
Hey, whatever works.  Im a fan of letting the bass have that territory and cutting ruthlessly on guitars in the lower range. But it it still doesn't really deal with 60 cycle hum all that well. It's still there at 120 and 240, etc. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by wiz on Sept 17, 2016 22:54:43 GMT -6
I use wave arts plugs for noise reduction and hum...50hz here though 8)
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 17, 2016 22:55:55 GMT -6
Aren't you supposed to be out drinking with cowboy, Jerome, Range?. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 17, 2016 23:32:35 GMT -6
As has been said, prevention is the best cure. Good AC, no dimmers, avoid ground loops, star out your guitar setup and power your pedals properly and that's a lot of it done.
The rest is the quality of the shielding the guitar, and where the guitar cables are relative to other power cables and EMF sources. I've heard from some people talk about very close dynamics picking up hum from the voice coil of the amp, but I honestly don't know about that.
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Post by rowmat on Sept 18, 2016 5:03:53 GMT -6
Waves 'Z' noise is good and if you can get a clear noise sample for an accurate profile then it usually gets rids of most of the noise with minimal side effects.
A metal wrist strap attached to a wire and clipped to the guitar (experiment with location) can often substantially reduce the hum.
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Post by ben on Sept 18, 2016 8:49:11 GMT -6
I was in the studio be they were having a particularly tough time with loud him from a guitar amp. The assistant engineer got a bare cable/wire and hooked up one end to the ground of the amp and the other end to the ground of the house! It helped and was an interesting idea.
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Post by keymod on Sept 18, 2016 12:04:30 GMT -6
Ben, how're you doing??
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 18, 2016 14:04:49 GMT -6
I was in the studio be they were having a particularly tough time with loud him from a guitar amp. The assistant engineer got a bare cable/wire and hooked up one end to the ground of the amp and the other end to the ground of the house! It helped and was an interesting idea. Good to see you, Ben. Great stuff, that's a live sound guys quick head. We've done that with plumbing and a noisy pa system before. |
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Post by Randge on Sept 18, 2016 15:01:18 GMT -6
Izotope RX to the rescue. It works flawlessly here when I have a buzz. I use single coils all the time with my lapsteels and teles, so I expect it and prepare for it in post.
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Post by wiz on Sept 18, 2016 15:12:01 GMT -6
Izotope RX to the rescue. It works flawlessly here when I have a buzz. I use single coils all the time with my lapsteels and teles, so I expect it and prepare for it in post. thats a really good point... always capture a fair amount of "dead air" I usually get it at the start and end of the track... making things clean, makes em sound expensive... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by WKG on Sept 18, 2016 17:36:18 GMT -6
I got really good at switching to a notch position between songs or rolling the guitar volume down.
That said I ended up switching to Dimarzio Areas on my strats and forgot all about 60 cycle hum. I think they sound great also.
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Post by svart on Sept 19, 2016 5:58:03 GMT -6
Almost every guitar in a mix has HPF around 125.. No problems with hum here.
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Post by stratboy on Sept 19, 2016 8:51:06 GMT -6
Wilde Pickups (Bill Lawrence) has some well-regarded noiseless PUPs. I'm planning on trying some microcoils in my tele. It has EMGs now, which are noiseless, but also lifeless, IMO.
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Post by donr on Sept 19, 2016 11:07:14 GMT -6
Almost every guitar in a mix has HPF around 125.. No problems with hum here. It's not the hum, it's the buzz. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 19, 2016 12:24:14 GMT -6
Izotope RX to the rescue. It works flawlessly here when I have a buzz. I use single coils all the time with my lapsteels and teles, so I expect it and prepare for it in post. I don't own it, yet, but every report is that the RX is head and shoulders over the Waves Z Noise and X Noise. |
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Post by Randge on Sept 19, 2016 14:25:21 GMT -6
Izotope RX to the rescue. It works flawlessly here when I have a buzz. I use single coils all the time with my lapsteels and teles, so I expect it and prepare for it in post. I don't own it, yet, but every report is that the RX is head and shoulders over the Waves Z Noise and X Noise. Oh, it certainly is. |
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 19, 2016 15:41:40 GMT -6
I don't own it, yet, but every report is that the RX is head and shoulders over the Waves Z Noise and X Noise. Oh, it certainly is. Can you get by with the least expensive version of isotope? Looks like it has a de-hum option. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Randge on Sept 19, 2016 18:21:32 GMT -6
I have version 3 and bought it off of ebay cheap from a dealer a couple years ago, so I have no idea what the lesser version has and doesn't. For me, its indispensable here as I do lots of acoustic instruments. Ditching ugly squeaks and noise is such a blessing. I don't go too far with it, I just get rid of really ugly things and let the lesser noises go so it stays real feeling.
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