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Post by swurveman on Sept 17, 2016 9:43:42 GMT -6
Why does DAW parallel compression (sending a signal from a mono channel to an Aux/Group channel with hardware insert in an Aux/Group)produce latency, while a mono channel hardware compressor insert doesn't produce latency?
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Post by drbill on Sept 17, 2016 10:26:33 GMT -6
I don't know if a digital blend is possible, as there are always cracks in between samples, and even one sample will mess up phase relationships. It's a simple mixbus on an insert the math shouldn't be that hard , but a bunch could tax a weak CPU ! I understand the concept. Getting it in phase is the hard part as the two signal flows need to be in perfect alignment or there will be phase problems. There is a physical gap between samples, and if the amount of delay falls within the gap, I don't see how you can get it in phase because one sample is the smallest amount you can shift a piece of audio. But....there's probably a smart person out there somewhere who will figure out how to bend physics.
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 25, 2016 22:07:53 GMT -6
Didn't end up getting the Daking. Didn't come with a power supply. So, bump?
Although Zenpro has some Daking stuff on special. Hmm.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 26, 2016 20:52:10 GMT -6
Why does DAW parallel compression (sending a signal from a mono channel to an Aux/Group channel with hardware insert in an Aux/Group)produce latency, while a mono channel hardware compressor insert doesn't produce latency? Over the years there has been lots of problems with aux tracks and latency and incorrect time line placement of compensated audio. There are multiple long threads over at the duc regarding these issues. Try restarting the session first. Second make sure if it's a mono vocal you are sending the the parallel aux, make sure the parallel aux is mono as well. Also, why not just use the HW insert if there is no latency. Another thing, in PT preferences there is a HW offset delay you can enter so that could be a solution as well. You could always duplicate the audio track and perform you parallel compression that way by substituting the duplicate audio track for the aux track. Another thing is with PT the analog I/o has to line up ( line output 5 to HW, HW output to line input 5 ) in order to compensate on the timeline, which sounds like you are doing correctly. I spent a couple hours trying to research this on the duc and pt expert but I don't think I actually answered the question lol !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:22:29 GMT -6
I really feel this is where having a summing network really shines, I use stereo compression between the DA and summing on my drums and mixbus. Still searching for a good 2bus EQ and maybe one of those Elysia Character boxes for guitars to pass through and the rest of the lifting I can do with plugins.
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Post by gavg on Mar 11, 2017 19:28:17 GMT -6
Hi Geoff,
I know it's a pretty old thread now, but I just happened upon it as I just joined and was searching overstayer related threads.
I am also largely ITB with a few select pieces of outboard and something that I do to get the most out of them that I don't think was mentioned is running them in parallel. This works for mono or stereo units. For example I have an ADL1500 that sits permanently on an aux and I can send whatever I like to it to get a bit of that flavour on lots of things if I want. I do the same with a distressor which I use mainly as a mono drum parallel. And so on..
To one of your other points... I have experimented with printing a mono compressor one channel at a time to achieve stereo, but never across the 2bus. I've done it with my mono distressor to achieve a stereo drum parallel and it works perfectly in terms of timing, but you have to be careful with the in and out levels as you will need to push your send 3dB harder harder into the panned send to achieve the same level hitting the compressor than if it was mono. To be honest, I found the whole thing too faffy and time consuming to bother with on a regular basis and find I like the mono distressor and use other things for stereo now.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 13, 2017 13:48:56 GMT -6
My wa76 is Line I/o 5 in my Apollo, which is insert 7 in PT for me which is renamed WA76. I will process the loop and fly it to the rest of the parts of the arrangement using the guide track or by knowing the arrangement. I do this by printing the HW effect; recording it onto the new playlist on the track or to a new track. Printing the HW track. Wiz had mentioned some little trick to keeping everything lined up. I believe he put a tick, or something with a hard transient on every track, that he could use to line things up. Wiz? Cheers, Geoff I'm in PT everything lines up on the grid for playback and visually. I enable PT mode in my console app in Apollo SW preferences. In order to have playback with HW inserts in PT you have to leave out the same output and re enter the same input.
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