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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 20, 2016 19:06:47 GMT -6
Can someone point me towards the best v drums out there? We will use Superior/AD/Slate for sounds, so we don't really need sounds. Just looking for a kit that a pro would feel good about coming in and sitting behind.
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Post by jin167 on Aug 20, 2016 19:13:33 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 20, 2016 19:23:36 GMT -6
And....$6k later lol
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Post by aremos on Aug 20, 2016 21:49:17 GMT -6
Without a doubt, Roland.
I would definitely say that anything (pads & cymbals) that came out during (& after of course) the TD-20 (TD-12) module will be included in what you're looking for!
That includes the VH-12 hihat.
You can customize the stands with the pads you use (choose) & come out with something very inexpensive & nowhere near what a brand new TD-30 full kit would cost.
And these parts don't necessarily have to be used.
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Post by chasmanian on Aug 21, 2016 5:34:38 GMT -6
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Post by aremos on Aug 21, 2016 8:14:39 GMT -6
As per the set recommended above, it doesn't bring the VH-12 (or later) Hat.
If your concern is for a drummer to feel as natural & as close to a real set as possible, the VH-11 uses one cymbal. It "sounds" the same but the feel, being a one cymbal hat, is different.
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Post by jayson on Aug 21, 2016 9:30:11 GMT -6
For me, an electronic drum kit is one of those things I was loathe to actually spend money on, but at the end of the day it wasn't such a bad investment. I took the scenic route in terms of going there though; I bought components for it on ebay and kind of assembled the kit as I went. I started out with a Roland TD-8 brain. Nothing to write home about as far as the sounds went, but it was more than adequate as a controller. I was primarily using it to control Slate Drums.
When I was living in a townhouse it was really the only game in town: frowning policemen at at the door don't add much to the creative vibe of a composing session. Since I bought my house it hasn't had a lot of use - it's set up in the tracking room but I'd much rather just use the real kit now. I suppose it's still be possible to pick up some drum mounted triggers if I wanted to record midi performance data, but it doesn't seem to come up much anymore.
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Post by aremos on Aug 21, 2016 10:03:27 GMT -6
Don't want to veer off & turn this into an Electric v. Acoustic
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Post by aremos on Aug 21, 2016 10:04:21 GMT -6
Don't want to veer off & turn this into an Electric v. Acoustic but with today's technology what can be accomplished is astounding. Let alone that even in other instruments there will always be "differences" but each brings a unique feel & palate to the art.
(Electric guitar v. a real guitar; real guitar v. steel string guitar; Les Paul v. Strat; EWI v. real wind &/or brass, etc, etc.)
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Post by chasmanian on Aug 21, 2016 10:25:27 GMT -6
hey aremos.
I love my e-drums. I only play them for fun. and not often either. but when I do, it is sooooo much fun.
in my most humble and super uneducated opinion, I will say this from my experience, fully realizing that your mileage may vary, and many things are very much subjective and personal. (let me emphasize: your mileage may vary because of many reasons.......different tastes......different computer specs and power and so on.....)
my experience with my TD15kv is that they play great by themselves. the VH11 works fine. they are incredibly awesome, because with the push of a button or a turn of a knob, you've got many many different drum and percussion sounds to play with. also, I love the volume knob. I can have excellent snare tone and all sounds as soft or loud as I want. not so with an acoustic snare (not looking to debate pro's and cons here. at all. I am simply describing MY experience. I am a singer/guitarist, who likes to dabble in lots of other instruments.)
in addition, being able to play VST's, hooked to a computer, gives many more drum and percussion sounds. great fun. with a caveat which I will explain:
the VH11....I have read other people say that its just as good as the VH12. but it may feel different because it only has 1 cymbal instead of 2.
if you google you will find people comparing them.
also for the benefit of the OP. MY experience of the VH11 is this:
works great with its module.
however, when I hook it to the computer with SD 2, all bets are off. very sketchy. maybe I'm just not good at setting it up. don;t know. just sayin. (I hereby give up trying to not hit ; instead of '. sorry.)
with BFD 3, I think it works better.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 21, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -6
Can someone point me towards the best v drums out there? We will use Superior/AD/Slate for sounds, so we don't really need sounds. Just looking for a kit that a pro would feel good about coming in and sitting behind. Roland feels the best to me, but, I play differently behind v-drums than a real kit. The feel of the electronic kit changes the way I play. I imagine that everyone coming in will be the same in that regard. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 21, 2016 22:51:41 GMT -6
I like the newer Roland TD 25KV...best for the money, actually just sold one. I have had them all over the years. I'd say Roland is the brand to stick with.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 22, 2016 11:42:57 GMT -6
My buddy has his TD30 kit here at my crib. It really is an amazing tool when paired with Addictive Drums or Superior Drummer. We have issues with the hi-hat control tho. You really gotta open it up wide to get any sort of sensitivity from it. Since he's a real drummer, he's used to playing with the hi-hat set up a certain way, and the VDrum's hi-hat just doesn't work when it's set up that same way. So you'll need to dial that in to get the performance you're looking for. Something to consider.
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Post by guitfiddler on Aug 22, 2016 11:53:44 GMT -6
My buddy has his TD30 kit here at my crib. It really is an amazing tool when paired with Addictive Drums or Superior Drummer. We have issues with the hi-hat control tho. You really gotta open it up wide to get any sort of sensitivity from it. Since he's a real drummer, he's used to playing with the hi-hat set up a certain way, and the VDrum's hi-hat just doesn't work when it's set up that same way. So you'll need to dial that in to get the performance you're looking for. Something to consider. I have even used real hi-hats and cymbals with the pads. I have even recorded some stuff direct right from the brain with surprising results. They are fun and just another tool. I am tracking live acoustic drums now, but I still like me some of that Roland pizzazz. |
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Post by geoff738 on Aug 22, 2016 14:54:08 GMT -6
I have a drummer friend who has been waiting for the top end Roland's to come down in price. Still waiting.
Another buddy got a cheap Yamaha kit for his kids to bash around on. Fun, but really a toy.
Cheers,
Geof
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Post by formatcyes on Aug 22, 2016 15:09:54 GMT -6
2Box its fantastic
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Post by chasmanian on Aug 22, 2016 15:17:57 GMT -6
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Post by geoff738 on Aug 22, 2016 15:34:06 GMT -6
The top of the line kit is still almost 10 grand in Canadian bux. Still pretty steep. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by wiz on Aug 22, 2016 15:56:22 GMT -6
My buddy has his TD30 kit here at my crib. It really is an amazing tool when paired with Addictive Drums or Superior Drummer. We have issues with the hi-hat control tho. You really gotta open it up wide to get any sort of sensitivity from it. Since he's a real drummer, he's used to playing with the hi-hat set up a certain way, and the VDrum's hi-hat just doesn't work when it's set up that same way. So you'll need to dial that in to get the performance you're looking for. Something to consider. This was always the problem for me, hats. The best result, is either work within the sonic limitations of the drums, in that you play to what they do well, and you edit like shit afterwards... I did a whole album like this, me in Oz, drummer in Dallas back in 2006-2008. It was night mare.... Glad I did it, but won't be doing it again. If you can use real hi hats, and cymbals, the kick snare and toms coming from Vdrums, it can sound really good. But, Johnkenn, you asked about playability I reckon, rather than end result so much. For me, I owned a Yamaha DT Xpress kit that had solid pads, which I didn't really care for.. nothing like playing a real kit.... I also built a midi drum kit back in the early 90s, based on a REMO practice kit Alesis D4 and piezo triggers, it was more comfortable to play, because of the bouncy pads. I have played a TD30, and it was by far the best of all the kits I have played.. its still nothing like a real kit, but it was comfortable... Any drummer who doesn't have experience playing a Electronic Drum kit, is gonna probably turn their nose up at it... Maybe ask some of the awesome session players you will use or if you have a particular drummer in mind, ask him? let us know what the end result is, I would be curious as to what those nashville kats would use cheers Wiz |
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