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Post by scumbum on Jun 21, 2016 19:27:15 GMT -6
I got an Eleven rack and really like it . Makes me wanna sell my amps . Anyone else using one in the studio ??
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 22, 2016 8:18:11 GMT -6
I use it all the time! The JCM800 sounds like my 1983 JCM800. I've gotten some awesome tones, and no one has ever said any recordings I've done with it aren't with a real amp.
I use it with the spdif, and split left dry, right amped so I can then double amp it if I want with an eleven plugin. The tuner is handy, effects sound good, and the big muff sounds like a big muff!
Unless you're spending 2k for a kemper or an axe, you're not going to get better than this, and still I think it's marginal. I got the expansion pack btw, has a couple really good ampeg bass amps in it that I love.
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Post by noah shain on Jun 22, 2016 12:48:05 GMT -6
I don't have one but my buddy Kato Khandwala uses one. He has kempers and fractals and a damned grotesque amp collection but he still uses his Eleven.
I think he told me not to tell anyone. Ha. Oops.
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Post by Ward on Jun 22, 2016 12:52:45 GMT -6
I use mine on every single album I play on. It's a great unit at any price, but incredible value for what you can them for. Plus it's an interface, and a couple extra mic preamps, and a great tuner. And the best Vox AC30 emulator around.
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Post by scumbum on Jun 22, 2016 21:54:16 GMT -6
You guys agree the Eleven rack is nice !!
I think the low price point scares people thinking its not as good as other emulators , but I think it nails the tones . I'm loving it and probably gonna sell my amps .
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Post by donr on Jun 22, 2016 22:58:09 GMT -6
Paul Crook, guitar and MD for Meatloaf used an Eleven live a couple years ago, don't know if he still does.
I think amp modeling can and has sounded convincing, especially for cleaner amp tones. The first Line6 POD was mind-blowing, even as it sounds sorta snap-shot like today. But it's still a tone, an option, and could remain useful. Hey, in the late 70's, I thought drum machines would never catch on. I sold a Roland 808 after owning it for a couple years. That box had a swing that the sequenced sampled sounds never really duplicated.
I don't have any experience with the Eleven, so I have no business commenting on its worth. So, why this post? Cause I like this place.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 23, 2016 7:27:47 GMT -6
You guys agree the Eleven rack is nice !! I think the low price point scares people thinking its not as good as other emulators , but I think it nails the tones . I'm loving it and probably gonna sell my amps . I think people think of it as an interface, and that dates it, but as a straight fx box, it's awesome. It sold new for 900 when it came out. People sell them used for 250! A lot of people buy them for the PT license and sell them without it, which stinks but I understand why. You can't beat the convenience though, plus the integration in PT really sells it. It'll keep the settings on the track and automatically switch them if you want, so you can work with multiple set ups really really easily. |
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Post by scumbum on Jun 23, 2016 11:51:02 GMT -6
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jun 23, 2016 13:48:00 GMT -6
I'm selling mine in the classifieds! Never even used it since I have a Kemper.... only bought it since it was bundled with pro tools. This thread is making me wonder if I should keep it..... |
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 23, 2016 18:27:13 GMT -6
Is this a step up from the Scufham Sgear plug?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 24, 2016 17:18:12 GMT -6
I don't have one but my buddy Kato Khandwala uses one. He has kempers and fractals and a damned grotesque amp collection but he still uses his Eleven. I think he told me not to tell anyone. Ha. Oops. Ahh, I've done a few records with Kato. What a great dude! He's the guitar amp guru and yes has quite a nice collection. He was using the Fractal for Bass at the time, didn't see him run a guitar through it. |
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Post by noah shain on Jun 25, 2016 12:54:59 GMT -6
I don't have one but my buddy Kato Khandwala uses one. He has kempers and fractals and a damned grotesque amp collection but he still uses his Eleven. I think he told me not to tell anyone. Ha. Oops. Ahh, I've done a few records with Kato. What a great dude! He's the guitar amp guru and yes has quite a nice collection. He was using the Fractal for Bass at the time, didn't see him run a guitar through it. Me and Kato are friends. I've never worked with him but I gave him a pile of shit about that 11. You can't argue with his guitar sounds tho. Arguing with Kato about anything would probably be a losing effort. ;-) |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 25, 2016 13:17:40 GMT -6
Ahh, I've done a few records with Kato. What a great dude! He's the guitar amp guru and yes has quite a nice collection. He was using the Fractal for Bass at the time, didn't see him run a guitar through it. Me and Kato are friends. I've never worked with him but I gave him a pile of shit about that 11. You can't argue with his guitar sounds tho. Arguing with Kato about anything would probably be a losing effort. ;-) You may lose, but you'd have quite a few good laughs along they way haha |
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Post by scumbum on Jun 26, 2016 12:32:58 GMT -6
The one problem people have with amp sims is they say a real amp has the sound of "air movement" . But when comparing my real amp with the eleven rack I'm not hearing the missing air movement , I couldn't tell the difference if it was a real amp or the eleven rack .
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 27, 2016 8:27:24 GMT -6
Listen to the last motley crue record. Tell me it doesn't sound like guitar amps. The record was done solely with Eleven rack.
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Post by Ward on Jun 27, 2016 8:29:20 GMT -6
Listen to the last motley crue record. Tell me it doesn't sound like guitar amps. The record was done solely with Eleven rack. That's an impressive advertising-worthy piece of info!! Mick Mars has always had tone for days - one of the few in the 80s with an identifiable 'rhythm' guitar voice. |
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Post by scumbum on Jun 27, 2016 12:44:24 GMT -6
Listen to the last motley crue record. Tell me it doesn't sound like guitar amps. The record was done solely with Eleven rack. Wow , so that says a lot not just about amp sims but also the Eleven rack , because he could have used Axe FX or any of the other amp sims but used a $300 eleven rack . Eleven rack sounds pretty much dead on like a real amp and I don't think anybody could pick it out in a blind shoot out . So "air movement" I guess can be emulated . |
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Post by kilroyrock on Jun 27, 2016 12:46:53 GMT -6
I'm sure they were paid to advertise the use of it to be an example of showing that it's worth a pro recording. Mick Mars didn't turn it down, knowing it could possibly be the last Crue record, you would want to make sure you're going out with a bang, and he had no problem with it!
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Post by RicFoxx on Jul 4, 2016 11:26:08 GMT -6
I love it and always told Dan D it was great!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2016 17:32:10 GMT -6
I've been hearing the voices in my head to sell my Kemper and go with an amp...I guess I have to go through this every year...I should probably just ignore...You guys seen those Roland Cubes with the different "tubes" you stick in that have different models?
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Post by Ward on Jul 4, 2016 19:13:31 GMT -6
Johnkenn, Did you know you can get a used Eleven Rack for $180 used on Reverb.com right now? There's all your modeling taken care of, and you can sell the Kemper and buy TWO amps!! BTW, the newish Fender Blues Cube sounds really good.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 4, 2016 19:32:04 GMT -6
Where do you see that one for 180?? It's gone if it was on there..
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Post by Ward on Jul 4, 2016 19:40:34 GMT -6
Where do you see that one for 180?? It's gone if it was on there.. today at noon, lunch break, using the mobile app on my iPhone... and DAMN that was quick!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2016 19:46:31 GMT -6
Every time I try something different in the non-amp department I come away severely disappointed (compared to the Kemper)
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Post by donr on Jul 4, 2016 22:47:33 GMT -6
Every time I try something different in the non-amp department I come away severely disappointed (compared to the Kemper) Me too. I haven't tried the Eleven, or the Fractal (I did at NAMM, through a wedge PA speaker, based on that I thought the Kemper killed it) or many of the software emu's out there. I did try and buy the UAD Friedman Amp models. They sound great. The Fractal sounded great. Hear it on a recording, YOU are gonna say, hey, that's not a real Marshall? Point is, there's many ways to get a convincing guitar/amp performance into a DAW these days. Almost to a point the only reason to retain and record a collection of real amps is to have the luxury of your own studio, or have a speaker box that you can reduce the dB's, or go into a load box like the Two-Notes Torpedo which retains the behavior of your own amp, and gives you options of cabs and microphones before/after the fact. I like the Kemper for reasons said here before. But I've never reamped anything. I'm good with what I originally went in with. Pro AE's today may need more options with their clients. Tracks are cheap with DAWS. |
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