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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2016 9:28:58 GMT -6
I found a quote about the Black Magic on a drummerworld forum... I've been looking into a bunch of these different brass snares, but it seems like everyone is using the same shell other than the BB. I have a contact with Walberg & Auge drums, who also use the World Max shell for their brass offering. Maybe I'll just snatch up one of his and support a small, local company. walbergandauge.com/
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Post by sean on Jun 21, 2016 9:40:33 GMT -6
Rob @ World Max is a great guy and is the one who builds the Walberg & Auge drums. He also built Magstar drums. He's a talented guy, he's done the edges on several of my vintage drums and it's always been an improvement.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2016 9:43:53 GMT -6
Rob @ World Max is a great guy and is the one who builds the Walberg & Auge drums. He also built Magstar drums. He's a talented guy, he's done the edges on several of my vintage drums and it's always been an improvement. Really? This guy is everywhere apparently. Haha. So W&A are literally the same thing as the WM, just with a different badge attached?
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Post by sean on Jun 21, 2016 10:18:05 GMT -6
Pretty much. The shells are Keller, hardware is World Max, I'm sure the metal shells are World Max as well. Maybe the shells are built differently for the W&A stuff, but I sort of doubt it. I think the "new" W&A company goal is really more preservation and education about the history of the company.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2016 10:23:53 GMT -6
Pretty much. The shells are Keller, hardware is World Max, I'm sure the metal shells are World Max as well. Maybe the shells are built differently for the W&A stuff, but I sort of doubt it. I think the "new" W&A company goal is really more preservation and education about the history of the company. That's how the owner Justin Esposito explained it to me. It's a non-profit to keep the company alive. Pretty cool.
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Post by drumrec on Jun 21, 2016 11:11:47 GMT -6
I'm probably not the right person to fill in to this thread, because I suffer from snare fetish and I admit my dependence on gathering snare drums But if I had to bring a snare today to a desert island, it would be the "Pearl 6.5" x14 "Free Floating Brass Snare". I came across the old, heavy snare. Sounds like a dream, and no annoying overtones. You can tune the sound as a fat like a pig sow or tune it up as a snappy, sharp army knife. Today I use it to 80% of the recordings. My Ludwig snare starting to look a little hard on me because they gather little dust. Not too pricey either www.angelfire.com/wa2/purvisdrumshop/drumsets/PearlFFS.html
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Post by joseph on Jun 21, 2016 11:49:47 GMT -6
I'm probably not the right person to fill in to this thread, because I suffer from snare fetish and I admit my dependence on gathering snare drums But if I had to bring a snare today to a desert island, it would be the "Pearl 6.5" x14 "Free Floating Brass Snare". I came across the old, heavy snare. Sounds like a dream, and no annoying overtones. You can tune the sound as a fat like a pig sow or tune it up as a snappy, sharp army knife. Today I use it to 80% of the recordings. My Ludwig snare starting to look a little hard on me because they gather little dust. Not too pricey either www.angelfire.com/wa2/purvisdrumshop/drumsets/PearlFFS.htmlYeah those are great. Jimmy Chamberlin used a steel one on a lot of Siamese Dream, apparently.
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Post by svart on Jun 21, 2016 12:15:41 GMT -6
I'm probably not the right person to fill in to this thread, because I suffer from snare fetish and I admit my dependence on gathering snare drums But if I had to bring a snare today to a desert island, it would be the "Pearl 6.5" x14 "Free Floating Brass Snare". I came across the old, heavy snare. Sounds like a dream, and no annoying overtones. You can tune the sound as a fat like a pig sow or tune it up as a snappy, sharp army knife. Today I use it to 80% of the recordings. My Ludwig snare starting to look a little hard on me because they gather little dust. Not too pricey either www.angelfire.com/wa2/purvisdrumshop/drumsets/PearlFFS.htmlI have one of these: www.davethedrummer.com/2nd%20Layer/Pearl%20Free%20Floater.jpgIt's a good snare, but the snares are too sensitive, if there is such a thing. it's all buzz. I've made some deeper shells for it over the years, one copper, one wood. It's a good generic snare, but it just doesn't have anything special that makes it stand out. You're right though, it's heavy. You could beat a bear to death with it.
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Post by drumrec on Jun 21, 2016 15:26:14 GMT -6
Lovely snare svart I wonder if it is sensitive because it's piccolo snare and that buzz can u easily get away if you lightening up of the two tuning screws diagonally closest snare wire on the botton snare skin (if I understand you correctly). I've thought about buying a piccolo "Pearl" Free Floating Brass Snare. You should test the "Pearl 6.5" Free Floating Brass awesome snare, can not compare 6.5" snare and piccolo snare, two different worlds. With 6.5" snare you have infinitely many possibilities of sound that you don't have with a piccolo snare. Loooove that red brass piccolo u have.....You see, this is what happens when I see a nice snare
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Post by svart on Jun 21, 2016 15:37:15 GMT -6
Lovely snare svart I wonder if it is sensitive because it's piccolo snare and that buzz can u easily get away if you lightening up of the two tuning screws diagonally closest snare wire on the botton snare skin (if I understand you correctly). I've thought about buying a piccolo "Pearl" Free Floating Brass Snare. You should test the "Pearl 6.5" Free Floating Brass awesome snare, can not compare 6.5" snare and piccolo snare, two different worlds. With 6.5" snare you have infinitely many possibilities of sound that you don't have with a piccolo snare. Loooove that red brass piccolo u have.....You see, this is what happens when I see a nice snare You can see here where I made a copper shell for it and just used longer lug screws: I also have a deep wood shell for it too.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 29, 2016 7:24:27 GMT -6
Two that haven't been mentioned yet:
Pearl Sensitone Aluminum 6.5x14". Similar to the Acrolites but cheaper, and in the larger depth. Very "warm" for a metal drum, good snappy attack with body, mild overtones. The Sensitone series is a fine line of drums.
Pearl Vision mirror chrome over steel 5.5x14" Can find sometimes under $100. For some reason I can get a very "big" sound out of this drum at lower-medium tunings. I love the 5.5" depth. Cheaper than all the signature steel snares, but probably similar. I'm a big fan of steel shells now.
My Pork Pie Big Black Brass I would describe as very punchy and loud, it's not a subtle sound. I use it a lot though. It's also beautiful. The overtones also sound sweet.
The 5x14" Acrolites are pretty all-around drums and a great value on the used market. That was the first drum I learned on, so it tends to sit to the side now in favor of its new big brothers. I'm not selling it though.
Tuning, head selection, wires, all can make pretty drastic differences on any drum. It feels like a fight sometimes but it's a satisfying one.
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Post by Randge on Jun 30, 2016 8:27:06 GMT -6
The single most recorded snare drum in history is the Ludwig 14x5 Supraphonic™ and it is like the Telecaster of drums: No two players ever sound the same on the same snare drum. It is the most responsive snare around and it didn't get to be #1 for no good reason. It is the first snare drum any studio or drummer should have, then add your Black Beauty, brass piccolo, soprano and on to maple and birch snare drums too. I agree. I have one dimed to a particular sound and leave it there. I found mine for $70 on Craigslist. I'd really like to get a GMS Perimeter Vented Snare soon. To my ears, that is the best snare drum I have ever heard. gmsdrums.com/drums/snares/perimeter-venting-system/
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 21, 2017 9:24:05 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Feb 21, 2017 21:14:46 GMT -6
jcoutu1 JESSE... stop spending my money!!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 21, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -6
jcoutu1 JESSE... stop spending my money!! Is that nasty or what!
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Post by Ward on Feb 21, 2017 21:49:46 GMT -6
jcoutu1 JESSE... stop spending my money!! Is that nasty or what! It's EFFING KILLER that's what it is. How come they don't offer bundles of 4 or 5 of the products together?
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Post by c0rtland on Feb 21, 2017 23:09:02 GMT -6
Any experience with tama bell brass snares or the like in these parts?
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Post by roundbadge on Feb 22, 2017 0:46:23 GMT -6
for metal snares I use a 5&1/2 supra,Dunnett beaded aluminum [like a 6&1/2 supra],Craviotto brass[like a fancy black beauty] and Tama Bell Brass a lot. for wood a standard craviotto 6&1/2,old radio king 5&1/2.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 22, 2017 3:37:36 GMT -6
The best studio upgrade I ever made was getting a Ludwig Black Beauty and a Beyerdynamic M201. It made more difference than any other gear purchase, ever!
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Post by Ward on Feb 22, 2017 10:13:40 GMT -6
The best studio upgrade I ever made was getting a Ludwig Black Beauty and a Beyerdynamic M201. It made more difference than any other gear purchase, ever! And wait until you get a 24x24 multi ply shell kick drum and a Neumann U47FET and Telefunken M82. That combination is equally as jaw dropping.
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Post by john on Feb 22, 2017 11:28:09 GMT -6
currently hoarding a vintage COB Dynasonic tuned high, 50s round badge tuned low, modern Acrolite tuned somewhere in between.
anyone used the new George Way snares? I heard a lot about the old ones and new ones look cool.
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Post by ericn on Feb 22, 2017 15:23:14 GMT -6
jcoutu1 JESSE... stop spending my money!! Yeah that's my job 😎
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Post by roundbadge on Feb 22, 2017 22:36:51 GMT -6
currently hoarding a vintage COB Dynasonic tuned high, 50s round badge tuned low, modern Acrolite tuned somewhere in between. anyone used the new George Way snares? I heard a lot about the old ones and new ones look cool. drum doctor ross loaned me a brass studio model george way snare he modded.sounded amazing.offered to sell it to me.still thinking about it
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Post by robertg on Feb 23, 2017 8:07:36 GMT -6
I recommend the Supraphonic hand hammered with die cast hoops. I own one and it's super versatile. The hand hammering and die cast hoops make it a little warmer with slightly less overtones which makes it more versatile in my opinion. The Black Beauty is great but more aggressive and not as versatile. You will want a nice wood snare to compliment the metal snare of course.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 25, 2017 12:29:06 GMT -6
There's a brass snare drum shootout on youtube with 5 drums, and I thought the Pearl Sensitone Brass sounded pretty special, even better than the Black Beauty to my ear. It just had a fatter sound with a quicker decay.
Lately I have just left up my Pork Pie Big Black Brass, that is still one of my favorite drums.
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