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Post by sozocaps on May 7, 2016 14:27:29 GMT -6
https%3A//soundcloud.com/john-gaynor-297594390/serena-applause-wa-2a
https%3A//soundcloud.com/john-gaynor-297594390/serena-applause-1176-blue
https%3A//soundcloud.com/john-gaynor-297594390/serena-applause-com-3a
https%3A//soundcloud.com/john-gaynor-297594390/serena-applause-original
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Post by Ward on May 7, 2016 15:58:01 GMT -6
IMHO... the 3a wins this shoot out, hands down.
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Post by ragan on May 7, 2016 17:04:26 GMT -6
IMHO... the 3a wins this shoot out, hands down. But...but...but...Ward! It's the GAP! What about how shitty it is ; )  |
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Post by wiz on May 7, 2016 17:56:00 GMT -6
I like the 1176,.. which one is it?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Ward on May 8, 2016 4:58:20 GMT -6
IMHO... the 3a wins this shoot out, hands down. But...but...but...Ward! It's the GAP! What about how shitty it is ; ) BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... in this case, apparently, not so shitty after all. I am surprised! |
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Post by M57 on May 8, 2016 7:54:29 GMT -6
Obviously, I don't have the ears you guys have; I had to listen many times to start hearing any differences, and I have to admit it came down to color more than the quality of compression. Anyway, I think the WA-2A is no slouch. Of the other three I think it's the closest to the 1176 - maybe a tad less transparent??
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Post by Randge on May 8, 2016 9:32:48 GMT -6
I think the WA-2a version has more heft and weight. It makes her vocal appear more forward and powerful. I'd use that.
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Post by Randge on May 8, 2016 9:51:51 GMT -6
It's all subjective and needs music around it to see what works best.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 8, 2016 9:59:32 GMT -6
Great post sozocaps, thanks!
I agree with Randge, it is track dependent, they're all viable. That said, I absolutely prefered the WA-2A. It added just the right amount of special sauce. The vocal didn't sound so much different, just better. It was a more exciting vocal sound, and the lyrics came to you with feeling.
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Post by sozocaps on May 8, 2016 11:41:12 GMT -6
Ahahha... sorry about my profile pic! ahahha did NOT want that on the clips LOL
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Post by sozocaps on May 8, 2016 11:42:43 GMT -6
I like the 1176,.. which one is it? cheers Wiz It's a heavily modified Hairball I made... It came out great and it keeps seeming to be pretty transparent on this female vox I think. |
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Post by sozocaps on May 8, 2016 11:46:53 GMT -6
I think the WA-2a version has more heft and weight. It makes her vocal appear more forward and powerful. I'd use that. I like the added weight and excitement of the WA-2A. The comp3a is cool too but adds the excitement in a different place (upper mid or high end) but is more colored too. |
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Post by wiz on May 8, 2016 16:08:50 GMT -6
I like the 1176,.. which one is it? cheers Wiz It's a heavily modified Hairball I made... It came out great and it keeps seeming to be pretty transparent on this female vox I think. thanks what transformers are in it... and what sort of other mods.. if you don't mind sharing.. cheers Wiz |
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Post by sozocaps on May 8, 2016 16:36:19 GMT -6
It's a heavily modified Hairball I made... It came out great and it keeps seeming to be pretty transparent on this female vox I think. thanks what transformers are in it... and what sort of other mods.. if you don't mind sharing.. cheers Wiz Stock transformers(Ed Anderson) but I'm the cap guy remember... Changed all critical coupling caps with good sounding ones, removed all electrolytic caps from the signal path, descrete signal cables to and from the gain knob ( not shared cable) ... |
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Post by wiz on May 8, 2016 17:12:48 GMT -6
thanks what transformers are in it... and what sort of other mods.. if you don't mind sharing.. cheers Wiz Stock transformers(Ed Anderson) but I'm the cap guy remember... Changed all critical coupling caps with good sounding ones, removed all electrolytic caps from the signal path, descrete signal cables to and from the gain knob ( not shared cable) ... Well, it sounds great.. really great. I love "chocolatey" sounding stuff....I am not a fan of what the WA2A does in the top end ... but the rev A of yours.. mmmmm cheers Wiz |
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Post by tonycamphd on May 8, 2016 17:41:55 GMT -6
listen to the first word "if", the blue 1176 is buttery and smooth= the steadiest of the three by a long shot, i'd like a longer sample with some space to hear some attack and release character, my bet is it would seriously outshine the other 2 on more rhythmic material, especially slammed.
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Post by sozocaps on May 12, 2016 18:54:29 GMT -6
Or better yet.... Vox > WA-2A > 1176 Blue - done... ! but would you track that way ?
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Post by Ward on May 13, 2016 4:05:08 GMT -6
Or better yet.... Vox > WA-2A > 1176 Blue - done... ! but would you track that way ? Vocal mic - 1073 - LA2a (or CL1b) - 1176 blue. I track like this all the time. Last week I missed things up by removing the LA2a. I'll never make that mistake again. The gloss was gone. And after the fact, I can't get it back. |
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Post by M57 on May 13, 2016 4:24:14 GMT -6
Or better yet.... Vox > WA-2A > 1176 Blue - done... ! but would you track that way ? Vocal mic - 1073 - LA2a (or CL1b) - 1176 blue. I track like this all the time. Last week I missed things up by removing the LA2a. I'll never make that mistake again. The gloss was gone. And after the fact, I can't get it back. Pre-amp aside, isn't this basically one of the arguments for tracking clean? You can always add the 2A and 76 to the track later - not to mention be able to tweak or even change things up as the mix progresses. |
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Post by Ward on May 13, 2016 5:24:34 GMT -6
Yes, it is one of the arguments... but not the one I'm presenting.
From my point of view and experience, nothing gives you the same finished vocal sound as printing a vocal with the right microphone properly gain staged preamp, then backed off a little to account for the boost from an LA2a which is just slightly brushing the vocal, adding 'the gloss' and then an 1176 blue stripe for peak handling. It's just a thing of beauty when it's done right.
Sidenote 1: lots of LA2a's are tweaked so that they don't provide a boost
Sidenote 2: lots of LA2a's are modded to accept either a +4 or (switchable) +10 dBU input load to prevent overloading.
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Post by kilroyrock on May 13, 2016 5:41:08 GMT -6
Yes, it is one of the arguments... but not the one I'm presenting. From my point of view and experience, nothing gives you the same finished vocal sound as printing a vocal with the right microphone properly gain staged preamp, then backed off a little to account for the boost from an LA2a which is just slightly brushing the vocal, adding 'the gloss' and then an 1176 blue stripe for peak handling. It's just a thing of beauty when it's done right. Sidenote 1: lots of LA2a's are tweaked so that they don't provide a boost
Sidenote 2: lots of LA2a's are modded to accept either a +4 or (switchable) +10 dBU input load to prevent overloading. You also don't have to send anything back out after the fact, add an extra trip of ad/da (if you're on a daw, but who isn't these days?), you look cool to your clients when you tell them their vocal chain, going in, is the cost of a midsized sedan... |
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Post by sozocaps on May 13, 2016 9:37:41 GMT -6
Or better yet.... Vox > WA-2A > 1176 Blue - done... ! but would you track that way ? Vocal mic - 1073 - LA2a (or CL1b) - 1176 blue. I track like this all the time. Last week I missed things up by removing the LA2a. I'll never make that mistake again. The gloss was gone. And after the fact, I can't get it back. What about eq on that 1073... I tent to cut a little (2db) at 360 with my U87 in the mix almost always... |
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Post by Ward on May 13, 2016 11:53:46 GMT -6
Vocal mic - 1073 - LA2a (or CL1b) - 1176 blue. I track like this all the time. Last week I missed things up by removing the LA2a. I'll never make that mistake again. The gloss was gone. And after the fact, I can't get it back. What about eq on that 1073... I tent to cut a little (2db) at 360 with my U87 in the mix almost always... You could do that or you might wish to consider trying other microphones if that is consistently a problem for you. |
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Post by sozocaps on May 13, 2016 11:59:45 GMT -6
Yup looking for a second great vox mic...
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