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Post by mrholmes on Apr 30, 2016 18:07:01 GMT -6
Dear friends of audio engineering.
I have long wondered whether I write this post, or not.
I came to the conclusion that I must do it, because some people do not speak truth about an inexcusable scandal done by Volkswagen.
We all know german engineering is well known in the world.
Germany is a world leader, especially in the automotive industry.
Who among us does not like other German products such as Sennheiser or Neumann etc?
Who does not remember the Telefunken tape machines ...?
Normally german industry is committed to progress.
If a product is good, we do not stop to make it better.
We usually develop it further and further.
In normal times that's german engineering.
Environmentally friendly engines are good – they should have try to make them better.
In other words:
Volkswagen has opted to stop innovation.
Betrayal of 600,000 customers in the USA.
After I got presented today all the details in a TV documentary.
I am ashamed of this big group.
I am ashamed that these managers have tried to circumvent laws in the US.
I am ashamed that they did try to get away until there was no option left.
Be assured that is UN-GERMAN.
I have been a trained industrial clerk before my career as a musician and music teacher.
Such a fraud is not German-Engineering as I knew it.
In my times one would have shut a bullet in his head before presenting such a product to the public.
No this is not my country, and that's usually not the way German graduate engineers perform work.
This is the work of profit greedy driven Managers.
People such as Prof. Dr. Martin. Winterkorn.
We still make a lot of good products which still deserve the title - Made in Germany.
I am sorry for this scandal because one could think all german products are such a kind of a fraud.
They are not.
Mr. Holmes.
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Post by ericn on Apr 30, 2016 18:11:46 GMT -6
Look at it this way, the German Engineers were smart enough to show the huge hole in the U.S. Environmental testing program that nobody has addressed!
We as Americans should be far more embarrassed by that , yet we hear nothing about changes or if any others have been caught gaming the system.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 30, 2016 18:22:23 GMT -6
I don't think this looks bad for Germany at all it was just some unscrupulous executives and now Mitsubishi has been caught fudging some efficiency data as well !
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 30, 2016 20:53:50 GMT -6
I don't think this looks bad for Germany at all it was just some unscrupulous executives and now Mitsubishi has been caught fudging some efficiency data as well ! Sorry I think its a scandal if you do big TV adverts about "clean diesel" and in the end customers find the diesel is only clean if the car is not running on a real road. The demage is done, the image is broken. I dont care for Mitsubishi ... as a leader in the Automotive industry, which Volkswagen is (was), you have to be a leader in inovation.... special when it comes to technologies which should save our environment. I am not pissed that they did the fraut... I am pissed that they left the street of inovation. It is thier fucking job to find a soloution for the problem. It s not thier job to change a software device to look good if the car is in test drive mode. They must have lost thier brains.... Now they have to pay billions..... how stupid is this? |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 1, 2016 2:30:09 GMT -6
Oh I agree they have damaged vw's reputation and it was shortsighted and expensive but I don't think this generally suggests German engineering innovation is dead. Doesn't vw already have a solution this just seems like an odd and expensive way to implement the option. I prefer doing things right the first time ?
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Post by tonycamphd on May 1, 2016 4:32:45 GMT -6
I do not see this as a reflection on German people. This should be considered abysmal behavior by any reasonable human, I will never buy a vw, and consider that co dead to me.
There is nothing "smart" about doing the wrong thing? This is costing them billion$ if they'll survive it at all, real smart...
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Post by keymod on May 1, 2016 4:51:49 GMT -6
Just another example of Corporate Greed running amok. The fact that the "shareholder" has become more important than the "customer" throughout the world economy, will continue to present similar scenarios in all kinds of business models.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 1, 2016 5:03:03 GMT -6
Look at it this way, the German Engineers were smart enough to show the huge hole in the U.S. Environmental testing program that nobody has addressed! We as Americans should be far more embarrassed by that , yet we hear nothing about changes or if any others have been caught gaming the system. This statement is indicative of what's wrong with the US, getting away with doing something evil because u can, makes u smart at being an asshole, nothing more, hardly something an ethical society should aspire to, there will ALWAYS be a way to circumvent technology, or contracts, or law, or......., and assholes will always find that way whether it be a simple gun robbery or a giant corporate conspiracy, they're called CRIMINALS! The conspiracy and hypocrisy of WV execs should land them in jail next to a whole lot of others that won't serve a day of time for equally horrid crimes, Americans should be embarrassed by how we don't hold rich criminals to any account what so ever, I think maybe 1 criminal dude went to jail over the US led collapse of the worlds economic system in 2008. ONE!!!!! |
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Post by M57 on May 1, 2016 5:33:15 GMT -6
I do not see this as a reflection on German people. This should be considered abysmal behavior by any reasonable human, I will never buy a vw, and consider that co dead to me. There is nothing "smart" about doing the wrong thing? This is costing them billion$ if they'll survive it at all, real smart... +1. This is much more a reflection of the nature of humanity. Greed is part of the ugly side of the human condition that motivates creativity, innovation, etc. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it's hard for me to imagine that right now there aren't a good number of even more egregious instances of overtly illegal corporate/political greed in play in nations all around the world ..and certainly including my own. I am under no illusion that any extant culture or form of government is exempt. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2016 7:43:09 GMT -6
Just another example of Corporate Greed running amok. The fact that the "shareholder" has become more important than the "customer" throughout the world economy, will continue to present similar scenarios in all kinds of business models. True is you can see it around the globe. But greed is wrong in the long run. I may posted it because I think quality and happy customers matter?? Today greed and shareholder value matters.... its a crazy, a wrong world. I do not blame capitalism, but I think sometimes we could do things a little bit slower.... Near everybody of my friends is all the time busy with something job related. It got very seldom that you have a sit in like in the 80s. It goes like this "oh sorry yeah a great idea to have some coffee at your place, but I have to do XY for my Boss - presenting on Monday!" My guesswork is that is where they want to see the western societies. Work as substitute religion. Greed as substitute religion. Money as substitute religion. Its not the way I want to live. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 1, 2016 12:32:48 GMT -6
Corporate greed knows no boundaries! Since its difficult to screw the employees in Germany, they chose instead to screw their customers.
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Post by mrholmes on May 1, 2016 19:16:41 GMT -6
Corporate greed knows no boundaries! Since its difficult to screw the employees in Germany, they chose instead to screw their customers. You are wrong they fucked it up and they already talked about to fire employees. Ah and not to forget they ask for money from the tax payers-...... like the Bangsters.... Capitalists asking for socializing their deficit... when it comes to employees its pure capitalism again, ohh and sorry we have to fire you. But see it in a positive way, its a fresh start you can do something new - you should be happy that we fire you. Bob you miss that the german labor law was matched to the one in the USA in 1998 by Bundeskanzler Schröder. Its maybe not that drastic, but we are getting closer and closer. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 1, 2016 21:55:21 GMT -6
That's really unfortunate to hear.
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Post by Ward on May 2, 2016 6:57:17 GMT -6
I haven't owned a VW in years. Now German microphones? Can't get enough of them.
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