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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 15:20:18 GMT -6
Looks like a really powerful tool.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 13, 2016 16:18:04 GMT -6
sure, it might be powerful...
but Melodyne, Waves Tune, Antares AutoTune, Logic Pro X has this tuning ability built right in! Why do we need a separate app when we already have at least 4 solutions to this problem?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 16:42:02 GMT -6
Good talk.  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 16:53:17 GMT -6
BTW - none of those do ADR.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 16:55:30 GMT -6
I have used Vocalign on harms before in poppier stuff. Last time I tried, though, it completely destroyed the sound of the harmony...weird.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 16:59:58 GMT -6
I know you can use them to stretch and move things around, but to my knowledge, non of them do it automatically i.e. Vocalign...
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Post by WKG on Jan 13, 2016 18:40:39 GMT -6
I use it to line up and tighten harmony vocals. Works great for that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2016 19:10:16 GMT -6
Yeah - I do that too - or just do it in cubase...but vocalign will put them all right into place in one fell swoop.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 13, 2016 22:16:31 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 13, 2016 23:26:24 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic? Why not stop making negative comments every time you post? It's getting old. Straighten up please. Love, Cowboy |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 14, 2016 0:53:24 GMT -6
lol ok, dad.
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Post by M57 on Jan 14, 2016 5:46:32 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic? I don't know if your serious, half-joking, or just all-out joking, but I'll bite: Because it's easier to play/sing it wrong and fix it. Because you may want to end up with a sound that's not found in nature. (Imagine the controversy when the first electric guitarists started to 'abuse' their amps.) Distortion = BAD, right? Because it's more time efficient to sing it wrong and fix it. More than ever, time is money in today's studio environment. Because you hear a lick or note in your head that you just can't sing perfectly. Songwriters (who may be great instrumentalists, but are not great singers) should take advantage of the technology. Not all songwriters have wonderful voices with scads of vocal technique. I don't want to mention names because I'll get piled on, but there are many songwriters/musicians (who are popular with this crowd) whose iconic recordings often make me cringe because they don't sing in tune, or just a little formant work would make all the difference. Don't get me wrong. Optimally, bannedchuck is right. 95% of the time, I'm not a fan. Example: Not that I like her music at all, but Cher's work makes me want to puke, and she has a great voice. Just as it can help a mediocre voice or create a unique vibe, autotune-like treatment can ruin a great voice or mangle sound in unmusical fashion. Just like any other tool, it's a two edge sword. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 14, 2016 9:02:36 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic? I don't know if your serious, half-joking, or just all-out joking, but I'll bite: Because it's easier to play/sing it wrong and fix it. Because you may want to end up with a sound that's not found in nature. (Imagine the controversy when the first electric guitarists started to 'abuse' their amps.) Distortion = BAD, right? Because it's more time efficient to sing it wrong and fix it. More than ever, time is money in today's studio environment. Because you hear a lick or note in your head that you just can't sing perfectly. Songwriters (who may be great instrumentalists, but are not great singers) should take advantage of the technology. Not all songwriters have wonderful voices with scads of vocal technique. I don't want to mention names because I'll get piled on, but there are many songwriters/musicians (who are popular with this crowd) whose iconic recordings often make me cringe because they don't sing in tune, or just a little formant work would make all the difference. Don't get me wrong. Optimally, bannedchuck is right. 95% of the time, I'm not a fan. Example: Not that I like her music at all, but Cher's work makes me want to puke, and she has a great voice. Just as it can help a mediocre voice or create a unique vibe, autotune-like treatment can ruin a great voice or mangle sound in unmusical fashion. Just like any other tool, it's a two edge sword. those are surprisingly fair reasons to not sing it correctly at the mic. I forget that not all singers sound like Pentatonix in the studio lol |
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Post by WKG on Jan 14, 2016 23:22:44 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic? Heh... right. Obviously that's always the goal but sometimes there isn't an opportunity or simply enough time. In any case it's usually just a little tweak here and there.
Revoice is great for that.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 15, 2016 7:28:32 GMT -6
why not just sing it right at the mic? Heh... right. Obviously that's always the goal but sometimes, there isn't an opportunity or simply enough time. I any case it's usually just a little tweak here and there.
Revoice is great for that.
How is Revoice different from all of the other options out there now? |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 15, 2016 13:31:41 GMT -6
Sorry but I have to agree all those tools are good up to a point.
But if the singer cant sing they wont help a lot.
I say I can hold my tone to just up 60% and Logic pitch correction makes it a little better.
But I am by no means a great Singer.
I know what I can sing, and I know what is over the top.
In my experience most people who cant sing try to sing tunes which are just way to difficult for them.
Same is true for every other instrument.
We live in a world where everything gets replaced by 1 and 0 s.
Every film music we hear is full virtual instruments.
And I am sure I have heard fake drums in some Sting songs to.
All those tools teach young people not to learn something from scratch.
And in the end they have nothing, because they did never learn how to learn a craft they desire.
I am not making a negative comment.
It a reality of our time that young people believe they can solve everything by technology.
Ten years form now we have a gaga generation asking for work.
Who wants to employ them?
I remember the sentence by a 22 year old "I have never read a book?"
Needles to say that the job was going to someone else.
Technology is good, but we have to teach the young generation how to use it.
It should not be an excuse to not learn a craft.
But it is already an excuse.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2016 13:50:53 GMT -6
Whether you realize it or not, you come across like you're extremely insecure at times. You've had a boner on for me ever since I let you back. You think I don't know how to sing it right in the mic? I've made demos, sang BGVs and had songs on more than 10 million albums. I think I've got it covered. I write a lot of songs and therefore demo a lot of them. When you're stacking 4 harmonies on multiple tracks a week getting, retracking them line by line like they're going on a record gets old. |
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Post by WKG on Jan 15, 2016 14:41:21 GMT -6
Heh... right. Obviously that's always the goal but sometimes, there isn't an opportunity or simply enough time. I any case it's usually just a little tweak here and there.
Revoice is great for that.
How is Revoice different from all of the other options out there now?
It's very useful for quick syncing of vocal lines.
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Post by M57 on Jan 15, 2016 15:01:29 GMT -6
How is Revoice different from all of the other options out there now?
It's very useful for quick syncing of vocal lines.
So are we talking about stretching time? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 15, 2016 16:51:47 GMT -6
It stretches time and pitch in a very transparent way. It's also good for doubling parts such as BG vocals and rhythm guitars. It's phrase matching is amazing. It can take the desirable phrasing of an out of tune vocal and impose it on a phrase that is in-tune. There's no automagical pitch correction like out-a-tuna but it's a deep tool for fixing stuff manually.
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Post by WKG on Jan 15, 2016 16:51:48 GMT -6
It's very useful for quick syncing of vocal lines.
So are we talking about stretching time?
I use it for minor timing touchup/tightening mostly. It's perfect when you might have great harmony takes but the singer was in front of or behind the phrase.
I don't use it for radical stretching and usually use melodyne if there's a note or two off.
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Post by M57 on Jan 15, 2016 16:55:15 GMT -6
So it stretches and has pitch correction/alteration - Logic can do this stock (and probably PT, right?). Must be a work-flow related thing?
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Post by WKG on Jan 15, 2016 17:00:35 GMT -6
So it stretches and has pitch correction/alteration - Logic can do this stock (and probably PT, right?). Must be a work-flow related thing?
It doesn't just stretch the entire clip, it moves the individual words/phrases so they line up with the guide track.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 15, 2016 17:01:38 GMT -6
The phrase matching is what distinguishes it.
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Post by M57 on Jan 15, 2016 17:21:55 GMT -6
So it stretches and has pitch correction/alteration - Logic can do this stock (and probably PT, right?). Must be a work-flow related thing?
It doesn't just stretch the entire clip, it moves the individual words/phrases so they line up with the guide track.
Gotcha.. Nice feature - especially if it lets you do it with some Q-like slop. Only way I can figure how do that with Logic is to place the target track next to the reference track and eyeball it on a flex marker by marker basis. |
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