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Post by drew571 on Jan 11, 2016 21:26:04 GMT -6
are you using them at their line level settings or are you driving the inputs and attenuating outs? just curious.  |
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Post by drbill on Jan 11, 2016 21:48:25 GMT -6
Line Level. I asked Jeff specifically for that as he was designing it. But as most know, I've moved on to the SB as it was designed specifically for the task at hand. Still, the vp28 is AOK for that application if you are OK with the compromises. It definitely has a "tone".
[Edit] - In re-reading this I should note that by 'compromises' I meant primarily the large jumps between input and output gain settings..
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Post by mulmany on Jan 11, 2016 22:08:45 GMT -6
Depends on what I am going for. I am mostly boosting the gain 3-4 and backing off the output 2-3.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jan 12, 2016 10:36:14 GMT -6
Line level as well, input set to unity. Usually I will use some output gain because I track and mix at such low levels. I find the output fills things out ever so slightly while keeping the fidelity of my audio. I love the energy these pres give a track even at unity.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2016 8:51:48 GMT -6
I feel like such a fool for not trying a VP28 by now. How do they compare to a 312 style preamp are they a lot different?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 14, 2016 9:30:02 GMT -6
I feel like such a fool for not trying a VP28 by now. How do they compare to a 312 style preamp are they a lot different? Much more versitile |
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Post by jsteiger on Jan 14, 2016 9:43:54 GMT -6
Line Level. I asked Jeff specifically for that as he was designing it. Yes you and Dave Cobb asked for Line In. Dave was the one who persuaded me to make the VP28. He wanted line mode so he could track high output tube mics in line mode like many do with old Neve modules. The load the mic sees is more like 10kΩ instead of 1kΩ. Great for electric guitars mic'ed with a U67. In fact, Dave and Mark Neill did the beta testing for me while they were working on a album together in Nashville. I was originally using an H-pad for line mode but they did not like it so I went to a U-pad which they loved. That is why there are two zero ohm resistors on the build. In fact, Cobb still has the very first pair of VP28's that have raw faceplates all hand scribbled with marker. I asked Reid Shippen how he has his VP28's set and he told me unity. He has had a pair on his SSL mix bus since he got them. I am not sure if he has ever used them as preamps. |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2016 10:10:24 GMT -6
I feel like such a fool for not trying a VP28 by now. How do they compare to a 312 style preamp are they a lot different? Much more versitile I feel a rumbling in my wallet...I think it's GAS. |
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Post by rob61 on Jan 14, 2016 10:46:30 GMT -6
I have the VP28, VP312DI, and the VC528 (missing link). (Yes, I buy too much gear) I'd say the VP-28 is slightly more "retro" sounding and the VP312DI is a bit more "modern" sounding. The VP-28, having two stages and two output transformers, gives a slightly warmer, fatter sound. Its similar to when I run the VP-312DI through the VC528 Missing Link. If you're looking for fast transients and flat bandwidth, grab the VP-312DI. If you're looking to tame them a bit and want to curve things a bit to the mid-range, go with the VP-28. Either way, you can't go wrong with Jeff's creations. They are all excellent.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 14, 2016 10:47:22 GMT -6
I feel a rumbling in my wallet...I think it's GAS. IMO you can't go wrong these, a total desert island pre, they're just so easy for a lazy ass like me also, from clean and open, to dirty and driven, and anything in between with such ease, you can take those outer extemes further with the Red dots/or SL's new 1731's as well, the tranny triple scoop makes for such solid imaging no matter what you record, they are far and away my fav pre i've ever used, i've heard people say that they don't reach as far down as some other pre's, but to my ears, and an analyzer, they are reaching down pretty well into the 10hz region on kick and bass, which is 99 times out of 100 getting filtered off up to atleast 25/30hz... so.. gettem monkey! |
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Post by drbill on Jan 14, 2016 11:00:34 GMT -6
Line Level. I asked Jeff specifically for that as he was designing it. Yes you and Dave Cobb asked for Line In. Dave was the one who persuaded me to make the VP28. He wanted line mode so he could track high output tube mics in line mode like many do with old Neve modules. The load the mic sees is more like 10kΩ instead of 1kΩ. Great for electric guitars mic'ed with a U67. In fact, Dave and Mark Neill did the beta testing for me while they were working on a album together in Nashville. I was originally using an H-pad for line mode but they did not like it so I went to a U-pad which they loved. That is why there are two zero ohm resistors on the build. In fact, Cobb still has the very first pair of VP28's that have raw faceplates all hand scribbled with marker. I asked Reid Shippen how he has his VP28's set and he told me unity. He has had a pair on his SSL mix bus since he got them. I am not sure if he has ever used them as preamps. Awesome Jeff. I'll have to try that trick on a couple of my tube mics.... |
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Post by Guitar on Jan 14, 2016 11:45:39 GMT -6
Yes you and Dave Cobb asked for Line In. Dave was the one who persuaded me to make the VP28. He wanted line mode so he could track high output tube mics in line mode like many do with old Neve modules. The load the mic sees is more like 10kΩ instead of 1kΩ. Great for electric guitars mic'ed with a U67. In fact, Dave and Mark Neill did the beta testing for me while they were working on a album together in Nashville. I was originally using an H-pad for line mode but they did not like it so I went to a U-pad which they loved. That is why there are two zero ohm resistors on the build. In fact, Cobb still has the very first pair of VP28's that have raw faceplates all hand scribbled with marker. I asked Reid Shippen how he has his VP28's set and he told me unity. He has had a pair on his SSL mix bus since he got them. I am not sure if he has ever used them as preamps. Awesome Jeff. I'll have to try that trick on a couple of my tube mics.... Yeah that trick really gets my attention, would love to try that, too. |
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Post by forgotteng on Jan 17, 2016 19:16:53 GMT -6
I have 4 VP-26's and have been dying to try the VP-28's for mix down. What are the differences between the 26's and the 28's?
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Post by winetree on Jan 17, 2016 20:12:13 GMT -6
The VP28 is a VP26 with the API output stage. Extra transformer and Opamp and line input. Read descriptions here www.capi-gear.com |
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Post by deehope on Jan 17, 2016 22:29:04 GMT -6
Why not grab some vc528s for your vp26s? I have 4 VP-26's and have been dying to try the VP-28's for mix down. What are the differences between the 26's and the 28's? |
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Post by forgotteng on Jan 17, 2016 22:47:11 GMT -6
Why not grab some vc528s for your vp26s? I have 4 VP-26's and have been dying to try the VP-28's for mix down. What are the differences between the 26's and the 28's? I was actually looking at those too. What would that give me different from the VP-28's? |
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Post by deehope on Jan 18, 2016 0:23:27 GMT -6
Why not grab some vc528s for your vp26s? I was actually looking at those too. What would that give me different from the VP-28's? in combination with the vp26 you'll get one extra tranny I believe. And more filters but most importantly for me, you'Re able to use it on the back end of any other preamps you own |
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Post by forgotteng on Jan 18, 2016 9:15:34 GMT -6
That makes sense. I did like the idea of the filters. Ahhhh choices, choices. Why is life so difficult?
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Post by Quint on Jan 18, 2016 10:08:37 GMT -6
I was actually looking at those too. What would that give me different from the VP-28's? in combination with the vp26 you'll get one extra tranny I believe. And more filters but most importantly for me, you'Re able to use it on the back end of any other preamps you own VP26 = 2 xformers VP28 = 3 xformers ML = 2 xformers Other preamps = 0, 1 or 2 xformers Add them up for whatever combination you desire. I realize that the ML is "designed" to be used after another preamp (or other line source) but there's nothing wrong with using the VP28 (in line mode) in the same manner. Pick your poison. |
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Post by pessoa on May 7, 2021 9:22:10 GMT -6
This is an old one, but the the title was nice.
I have been thinking of trying my pair of vp28’s on the stereo bus after going OTB on it with a Audio Scape bus compressor.
Where do people typicaly put these things in the chain? I am thinking at the end after the compressor has done its thing.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 7, 2021 9:47:56 GMT -6
This is an old one, but the the title was nice. I have been thinking of trying my pair of vp28’s on the stereo bus after going OTB on it with a Audio Scape bus compressor. Where do people typicaly put these things in the chain? I am thinking at the end after the compressor has done its thing. I use mine on the stereo bus almost every mix. I’ve tried every combo but I usually make it the first insert, before hitting a bus compressor. I like to drive it just a little so that the transients are just starting to soft clip. I find that it’s a much more musical way to control the transients. Then it feeds the compressor (vst). I feel the bus compressor “works” better when the transients aren’t so “wild”, so that the comp is responding more to the rms level and less so to the peak level. But it’s entirely possible I like that combo best because I’m using software comps. |
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Post by pessoa on May 7, 2021 11:01:36 GMT -6
You got some interesting thoughts! I will have to do some experimenting, but such pointers inspires.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 7, 2021 11:39:30 GMT -6
I go out from my summing box, into the vp-28’s, then into the bus comp, stereo eq If need be, then back itb.
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Post by drbill on May 8, 2021 9:42:41 GMT -6
Where do people typicaly put these things in the chain? I am thinking at the end after the compressor has done its thing. VP28's first, comp second. Saturate off some of those peaks before your compressor has to work. |
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Post by Mister Chase on May 8, 2021 14:53:01 GMT -6
Sound great on the bus at line level.
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