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Post by swurveman on Dec 19, 2015 10:14:44 GMT -6
I have always been baffled about the music industry, the only business industry that claims that a $75.00 investment is sometimes, if not always, better than a $3,500.00 one. Case in point, Metric Halo's Channel Strip, which is now $75.00. Here's some classic celebrity endorsement statements: Serban Ghenea: " To me, ChannelStrip together with Pro Tools is the console. Other plug-ins are like outboard gear." Jeff Juliano: "“With most plug-ins, I end up having to put five other plug-ins behind it,” said Juliano. “When I find that I’m adding a compressor and then a filter bank and then something else on top of the first plug-in, it’s because the first plug-in isn’t really doing what I want it to do. Not so with ChannelStrip. ChannelStrip is so good that I often disable an analog send that isn’t doing the job in favor of ChannelStrip” . Jack Joseph Puig: I like Channel Strip. Without that, I'd actually be suicidal. Nothing does what that does. So, I have a question for the board. Who here is choosing the Metrric Halo (or other channel strip) compressor over their hardware compressor's and why? Who is choosing the Metric Halo (or other channel strip) over their Neve/API/GML hardware EQ and why?
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Post by drbill on Dec 19, 2015 14:20:37 GMT -6
I've owned ChannelStrip for many, many years - since the early TDM days. It's basically an SSL 4k channel strip. I seem to use it for awhile, and then look other directions, but it's always good to have it as an option. The closer I get my tracks cut to the way I want them, the less I need CS.
So especially if you mix ITB - which I believe Serban does - adding Channelstrip to your DAW mixer basically gives you a SSL channelstrip - EQ, Dynamics, Filters. If this is what you want, then it's a solid contender. PT and Channelstrip give you the functionality of a SSL console (kinda), and adding other plugins is very much like adding outboard. His comment makes perfect sense to me.
Jeff's comments make sense too. Channelstrip is very comprehensive for those used to working on a 4k - at least for the CONSOLE basics. You get it all on one plugin instead of having to chain a bunch of stuff together. As Serban mentions, you still need OTHER plugins for outboard functionality, but for getting "console" like functionality - PT and Channelstrip pretty much take you there. As for JJ being suicidal without it? LOL I like channelstrip, but I'm not going suicidal without it.
if I WANTED an SSL but had to be ITB - which I generally don't want, but whatever - Channelstrip is a good contender. Worth far more than $75 IMO.
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Post by ericn on Dec 19, 2015 14:24:16 GMT -6
Its this simple , "we will give you a free copy if say something nice." I remember when certain people were waiting for there mackie automation packages for the blurbs in that huge Mackie rag , the ones I know very well never got their free automaton !
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Post by formatcyes on Dec 19, 2015 14:28:21 GMT -6
Man after all that endorsement I want it.
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Post by donr on Dec 19, 2015 14:45:24 GMT -6
If MH gives away products, I've missed out. I've payed for everything Metric Halo I have. The hardware and the software are solid, great sounding stuff. Great customer service too.
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Post by 79sg on Dec 19, 2015 15:35:48 GMT -6
I've used Channel Strip for many years, it's very flexible and does what it was intended to do. Gate, 3 different Compressor types, EQ and a limiter. I also have Eventide's Ultrachannel but use MH Channel Strip the vast majority of the time. As donr said, their products are solid, they just work and are very stable. We have 2 MH ULN-8's in the studio and they are great. AD and DA conversion as good or better as any I've heard and the mic pres stopped my desire for acquiring others. Great products and service. The upcoming 3d upgrade should be incredible. How many company's can say that every single box they've created and sold can be upgraded? Anyhow, I went a bit off topic, the bottom line is that if someone wants or needs a "channel strip" type of plugin it is a worthy option and you get a fair amount of functionality for $75.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 19, 2015 18:47:13 GMT -6
Man after all that endorsement I want it. Me too.
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Post by mjheck on Dec 19, 2015 23:14:13 GMT -6
Channelstrip is the first plug on all my channels -the gate alone is worth the price - it works better than any other I've used. Easy and no chattering.
As of version 3.0, I really like the compressor with the MIO option also.
The EQ is very usable and, for me, ideal for basic cuts, shelving and roll offs.
Not gonna go as far as JJP, but I do prefer it to any of my UAD channel strips - its probably my most used plug in, and has been for about five years.
MJH
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 21, 2015 12:05:25 GMT -6
usually AudioDeluxe or another site will have it on sale bundled with Dirty Delay or Character or Transient Designer for $50 or so for the pair. Keep your eyes peeled, no need to pay $75...
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Post by Randge on Dec 22, 2015 14:56:41 GMT -6
I have to believe whole heartedly in a product before I will be an endorser. It's important not to "whore" your name out for free/discounted gear and that isn't what the companies are after either. There have been two products that I endorsed for a while that didn't do it for me after a while. What I did do was found the companies better suited endorsers to spotlight their products better and kept in touch to make sure all went well and they, musicians and product maker, were all very grateful. I wish more of that happened in the business.
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2015 15:56:26 GMT -6
That plugin just happens to be one that a lot of guys believe in...... I've got a session template right here from a guy that has some #1's and a handful in the top 50 right now.... every single channel has that MH as the first plugin. I've used it plenty and for the $$ it's solid. If you move off an SSL there is a lot of separation anxiety and growing pains and that plugin did actually help nurse me through it a bit but I've moved on and found the less I can put on each channel seems to give me the best sound.
Randy speaks the truth, he was on my ass for almost a year to switch to Cubase and I had to make the call about a month ago and concede to him, he was right.
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Post by rickcarson on Dec 23, 2015 9:54:53 GMT -6
Channel strip rules and those dudes are not lying at all. I dont know about jeff but I know that serban uses his like the ssl and Puig says nothing can do what it does specially because it has the crazy 1000:1 ratio or what ever is going on.
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Post by rickcarson on Dec 23, 2015 9:55:28 GMT -6
Also metric halo as a company has left a bad taste in my mouth. The $75 bucks is all they deserve
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 23, 2015 9:58:34 GMT -6
Also metric halo as a company has left a bad taste in my mouth. The $75 bucks is all they deserve story, please.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2015 14:00:57 GMT -6
I know Billy Decker definitely uses it all the time
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Post by rickcarson on Dec 23, 2015 14:08:58 GMT -6
Also metric halo as a company has left a bad taste in my mouth. The $75 bucks is all they deserve story, please. I was the first person to go all out on a 32 in and 32 out protools rig which I called and was told would work when protools 9 came come. Boy did it not work so I thought I would get support on my multi thousand dollar rig. What happened is they got a bunch of new customers who couldnt even use the mio console and got super boogged down and stopped responding or trying to help a lifelong customer such as myself. I told them I was leaving and selling there gear. They told me I was the only person in the world trying to using 32 ins and outs with protools at that time and that 1 client was one while many were many. So I left. Fuck them
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Post by Randge on Dec 24, 2015 3:27:32 GMT -6
I was the first person to go all out on a 32 in and 32 out protools rig which I called and was told would work when protools 9 came come. Boy did it not work so I thought I would get support on my multi thousand dollar rig. What happened is they got a bunch of new customers who couldnt even use the mio console and got super boogged down and stopped responding or trying to help a lifelong customer such as myself. I told them I was leaving and selling there gear. They told me I was the only person in the world trying to using 32 ins and outs with protools at that time and that 1 client was one while many were many. So I left. Fuck them Steinberg would have found you a solution. I just converted another lifelong PT user to Cubase 8. Jerome Mason can tell you the many, many reasons he switched and save me the trouble.
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Post by rickcarson on Dec 24, 2015 8:13:28 GMT -6
I keep looking at cubase. but clients just keep sending me protools session. what is a boy to do?
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Post by swurveman on Dec 24, 2015 9:52:41 GMT -6
I keep looking at cubase. but clients just keep sending me protools session. what is a boy to do? I have both, mainly because for projects with a lot of VSTI's and MIDI channels I prefer Cubase. It's not that I couldn't do it all in Cubase, but I too get PT session and go back and forth with other studios and it's just simpler to have their software.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 24, 2015 10:09:45 GMT -6
I'm still pretty cold about Avid's last year of totally shit behavior, but i have to say this PT12.4 is a monster, super stable, and I swear i hear an improvement in sound, i'm jumping from 10, is there that much of a diff in the processing that it's made a sound quality improvement? I'm probably trippin, i'll have to check out some old stuff, i've only had it for a couple days, It doesn't hurt that the latest thing i'm playing with was tracked extremely well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2015 23:25:34 GMT -6
You trippin'.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 25, 2015 12:30:35 GMT -6
am I? from 10 to 12.4 is my jump, so i've gone from 32 to 64bit architecture and from rtas to aax plugs, i wonder if the resultant processing power wouldn't lead to more refined resolution, and less truncation type digital artifacting? Just throwin that out there, i need way more time on this to even begin to make a definitve decision on whether i'm hearing an actual improvement, at this point it feels pretty good even if it's all in my head haha
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Post by Randge on Dec 26, 2015 9:58:30 GMT -6
I keep looking at cubase. but clients just keep sending me protools session. what is a boy to do? Have them send an OMF file and you're good to go!
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Post by Ward on Dec 26, 2015 13:08:20 GMT -6
I have no idea why we need to call it nonsense... the minions needs someone to follow, and I stand behind that, brought to you by Brawndor, makers of Gatorade available at Costco for $2500 a dozen. (Some will get the movie reference).
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Dec 26, 2015 13:35:04 GMT -6
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