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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 13:31:36 GMT -6
If you never heard about jamstix, i have to tell you it is pretty awesome.
Sounds funny to let an AI be your drummer slave, but it is a pretty convincing one as long as you are not a drummer yourself. And even then .... it may be inspiring or prototyping tool or ... just playing a style you can't or don't want to play or....
I love it, because it can play like i can't. But can do what i tell him to do. Without discussion. He even does his own licks and fills and bridges and accents ... if i let him.
Ideal for old musically totalitarean und since his age only limitedly amendable to compromise guy like me. ;-)
I love drums but i am no good drummer. Not even medium talented. So i stay by writing, experiment, sound design, fiddling with synths and play a fairly ok bass (if i would rehearse more...) and some rudimentary strat....
Although it brings a lot of quite good drum libraries on it's own, i want him to host my AD2 and Session Drummer sets - which it can.
Then i want to print the midi data, for making loops or edit later, session with him live and let him follow your midi or audio data (!) so he can accentuate and follow dynamically, create unique grooves, experiment endless etc. etc.
So today i got like nearly everything on this page even an udu utar (but sans flamenco, euclidian and march and linearized styles and drummers, which can be bought for real peanuts later) for ... below 150 Euro all in all. (153 USD)
And you get the next major version update for free! Waited for such a moment glimpsing at it for quite some time...quite a long time....not many sales like that....because - there are no competitors in this field, maybe meldas mdrummer, which is not what i like to work with....
Many don't admit it, but it is more used than you might think and right now it is pretty inexpensive to get like the whole package.
So heads up, guys.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 4, 2015 15:13:13 GMT -6
Wow...that's really cool...though part of me thinks it would just be easier and faster to play it...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 5:47:44 GMT -6
Yes, if you have a drumset at hand and can do what goes thru your mind.
But what do you do if you have a writers block. Need inspiration.
Advise the virtual drummer and you get new ideas. I demoed it, and was very intrigued. This is such a deep software, no way you get bored anytime soon. And the kind of settings you can make is somehow like really talking to a drummer.
This way i can get nuances, i would never be able to play by myself - not with a decade of rehearsing drums. Unfortunately. :-D
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 5, 2015 7:00:46 GMT -6
Interesting. Can you use other kits (Slate, AD, etc) or are you locked into theirs?
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Post by M57 on Dec 5, 2015 8:11:44 GMT -6
It does look impressive; it's certainly complicated enough - and I don't mean that as a criticism. The site indicates that it can drive whatever kit you want, it's just midi.
There's no question that if you had a real drummer handy, you don't need these things - especially where efficiency is concerned. But as a quick down and dirty composition tool, it certainly looks pretty robust. There are just a few more things that I would make sure it could do before I would consider something like this - for instance, I didn't see odd meters covered in the specs.
Anyway, and at the risk of coming out as a fanboy, comparing the Rayzoom to the Logic drummer, and especially where workflow is concerned, the Logic drummer has a feature where the kick and snare can 'follow' an assigned track, and it does a pretty good job. Logic doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of letting you vary the strengths and features of each hand, etc, but it does have variable control over things like drummers, styles, kits, feel (on top/behind), frequency of fills/ghost notes, tuning of individual drums/etc. And there are tricks that you eventually figure out to get it to change something you don't like, including straight piano roll editing. It's also 'pre-wired' into the main board such that you can put any plug on any drum.
Does it have limitations? Absolutely, but I'm always amazed at what came stock under the hood in a $199 DAW. That said, I'm always on the lookout for something to augment it. Part of my loves the idea of the quality and depth of the loop libraries out there, but I really like the idea of the AI 'infinite' approach as a workflow solution.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 5, 2015 13:15:29 GMT -6
Also, how long has this company been around and will they be around in 5 years? That's a big concern whenever I debate about handing over my cash toward software.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:22:44 GMT -6
Hi guys,
as for odd meters....
i did not look into all the styles it comes with.
Therefore i did a quick test.
I set Mixbus3 to 9/8 meter.
I imported a groove monkey groove (there is even a drum map for groove monkey, AD.. for import, nice) that is in 9/8 as a style.
Voila, the bar shows 9/8 and grooves around it.
So yes, feed whatever you like to it.
The company has been around for many years. There is a long time between the major updates. I think they have quite a few more customers, and my personal guess is it will not go belly up soon. Esp. because they fill a market gap with their product. Really, the only real alternative in regards to human-like AI drummer is the melda mdrummer.
I heard only good thinks about the logic drummer, so if you are happy with that, no problem. Also many are happy with the drumming stuff you can do with Ableton. Never tried those, so i am not able to compare this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 21:28:01 GMT -6
Just checked with archive.org.
The first version Rayzoom Jamstix came end of March 2005, so the product is now active since a decade.
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Post by M57 on Dec 6, 2015 4:25:34 GMT -6
Hi guys, as for odd meters.... i did not look into all the styles it comes with. Therefore i did a quick test. I set Mixbus3 to 9/8 meter. I imported a groove monkey groove (there is even a drum map for groove monkey, AD.. for import, nice) that is in 9/8 as a style. Voila, the bar shows 9/8 and grooves around it. So yes, feed whatever you like to it. The company has been around for many years. There is a long time between the major updates. I think they have quite a few more customers, and my personal guess is it will not go belly up soon. Esp. because they fill a market gap with their product. Really, the only real alternative in regards to human-like AI drummer is the melda mdrummer. I heard only good thinks about the logic drummer, so if you are happy with that, no problem. Also many are happy with the drumming stuff you can do with Ableton. Never tried those, so i am not able to compare this. I would say that I am pleased with the Logic drummer, but I do feel it has limitations - with the emphasis on the 'limits' part of that word. It features a pretty cool x/y complexity/loudness pad that changes up general feel of the playing, but the set of fills is not as robust or deep as I would prefer. What I tend to do is get it as close as I can - render to midi - then edit - but once rendered in midi - there's no 'going back.' There are ways around this problem (i.e. keeping the original Drummer track(s) active but muted and using separate tracks for rendering, but it gets messy. Bottom line, I feel that for most projects at some point I'll want real drummer. That said, I can't complain about the usefulness of it. Thanks for checking it out with odd meters. That's encouraging. Are the drums tunable? Does it have any good brushes grooves? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 7:14:42 GMT -6
Grooves is not the term that can be used here.
The combination of a "style", a drumkit obviously, and a "drummer" (the brain) makes the groove, so - yes there is a dedicated brush player personality in the main program pack, as well as a brush drumkit. You can also import a midi drumloop as a style, so yes, brush drumming is well possible....
Yes, drums are tunable.
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Post by M57 on Dec 6, 2015 7:32:48 GMT -6
Grooves is not the term that can be used here. The combination of a "style", a drumkit obviously, and a "drummer" (the brain) makes the groove, so - yes there is a dedicated brush player personality in the main program pack, as well as a brush drumkit. You can also import a midi drumloop as a style, so yes, brush drumming is well possible.... Yes, drums are tunable. To say that it would be a nice complement to the Logic drummer may be stretching things, tweaking them both to play similarly sounds daunting ..but perhaps as an alternative when Logic isn't working.. What do folks think of loops as an alternative?, and I'm thinking specifically about brushes, but really all apply. I've never purchase them before but the sales out there have been quite tempting.. Looploft has been hitting my inbox mercilessly. |
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