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Post by M57 on Nov 20, 2015 16:58:45 GMT -6
I've got a pair of Joly modded Oktava 12's I could send you to try if you like, Mark. Shouldn't cost more than 5 or 10 bucks to mail them back and forth. Thanks, First, I'd like to pick up another D4 (I haven't heard back from Matt regarding availability) and give the NT-5's a shot with them. If I tried yours and the modded Oktova 12's turn out nice, I should probably look into getting the NT5's modded, right? Of course, then I'll need to find out who Joly is..
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 20, 2015 17:11:36 GMT -6
I use these on acoustic a lot. If you like them, we might work out some sort of trade or something. I think the NT 5's sound fine personally. The only SDC ivd ever heard that doesn't need eqing is a km 84. Those mics just sound finished. Without question the best there is IMO.
But with some tweaking eq and such they can all be made to sound good.
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Post by drbill on Nov 20, 2015 17:54:23 GMT -6
I've got a pair of Joly modded Oktava 12's I could send you to try if you like, Mark. Shouldn't cost more than 5 or 10 bucks to mail them back and forth. Those might be a nice call. Do you have the omni caps? Thats what I'd start with first.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 20, 2015 18:02:11 GMT -6
I've got a pair of Joly modded Oktava 12's I could send you to try if you like, Mark. Shouldn't cost more than 5 or 10 bucks to mail them back and forth. Those might be a nice call. Do you have the omni caps? Thats what I'd start with first. No just the cardioid. Wish I did have the omni caps. Can I buy those separate?
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Post by drbill on Nov 20, 2015 18:14:13 GMT -6
Those might be a nice call. Do you have the omni caps? Thats what I'd start with first. No just the cardioid. Wish I did have the omni caps. Can I buy those separate? I don't know. I don't recall ever seeing them separate. I bought mine as part of the multi cap stereo pair group. Also got the MJE K47H LDC's for them which are really great.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 21, 2015 7:53:25 GMT -6
Those might be a nice call. Do you have the omni caps? Thats what I'd start with first. No just the cardioid. Wish I did have the omni caps. Can I buy those separate? Yes! Check eBay, they have omni, super cardioid, cardioid capsule their constantly www.ebay.com/itm/220400195022?
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Post by Randge on Nov 21, 2015 9:22:03 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Nov 21, 2015 9:33:13 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 21, 2015 10:12:12 GMT -6
Why not try a single nt5 through the dizengoff to get a feel for the flavor a good see how it sounds.
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Post by M57 on Nov 21, 2015 10:16:48 GMT -6
Why not try a single nt5 through the dizengoff to get a feel for the flavor a good see how it sounds. Uhmm, because I'd have to warm it up?? ..working on it.
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Post by M57 on Nov 21, 2015 12:24:16 GMT -6
I'm only doing this because Jesse's being that guy. These are mono tracks simultaneously recorded with the NT5s. It took me a while to get the D4 sounding right because I was trying to push it with the pad on, but couldn't get it to do what I wanted ..yet. With the Saffire Neve emulation (my favorite from the takes in the above shootout). soundcloud.com/m57/nt5-mic-mono-1073/s-btXJuWith the Dizengoff D4 soundcloud.com/m57/nt5-mic-mono-d4/s-0mygeThis is very encouraging -- even barely pushing the D4, I think it's a really nice warm and flattering sound. Thanks for being that guy, J. Still waiting to hear what folks think of the NT5s in general..
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Post by EmRR on Nov 21, 2015 13:39:55 GMT -6
So none of you guys are of the mindset that the omni Earthworks mics would be a good fit? You can close mic without the proximity effect. Good on/off axis pickup so they will pickup the piano well without getting wonky. I sold my Earthworks years ago. I actually like the sound of DPA 4060's much more, and they are much more flexible in potential use. The boundary adapter is useful when you need an isolated piano approach like a PZM, also better sounding than. I have used Oktava figure 8 adapter along with a MK-102 for M/S piano capture with good results too.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 21, 2015 17:55:32 GMT -6
Damnit man that sound soooo fine!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 21, 2015 18:03:09 GMT -6
Mark that 1073 emulation one sounds outstanding. I don't know how much better anyone would want than that. You can use that path on tracks for me anytime!
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Post by M57 on Nov 21, 2015 18:40:17 GMT -6
Mark that 1073 emulation one sounds outstanding. I don't know how much better anyone would want than that. You can use that path on tracks for me anytime! Herbie, that you would accept that track is huge. Ultimately, that is the litmus test. I want to be able to record tracks for folks like you. Of the emulations I agree, the Neve is a standout. Do you see how NT5's sound brittle with a lot of those pres (including the stock focusrite)? Maybe it's just a matter of matching them up with a pre with the right EQ profile/mojo. I do like the 1073, but I'm hearing the D4 having more girth and warmth (and noise, although I'm pretty sure that's partly me twisting knobs and guessing at levels), but those mono tracks are hard to listen to. I want to hear both NT5's going into a pair of D4s.. Anyway, if the NT5s are acceptable I don't know that I want to drop a Cleveland+ for an upgrade just to get a 1-2% increase in quality. I'll bet I can find other places in the studio to spend it more efficiently.
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 21, 2015 22:14:31 GMT -6
Herbie's right about the piano - it's definitely a dark, mellow tone. The NT5's sound fine and I don't think a ribbon would work well with this piano at all.
I preferred the D4 by a lot. More top end, more depth and fuller sounding.
After listening to these clips a few times over I'm actually very curious about how the Josephson c42 and the KM184's would sound. I used to own a Josephson and they're a very detailed mic. Some people don't like the top end but it may be perfect for this piano. I never got along with the KM184's but I've heard some exceptional tracks by other engineers. Again, the top end detail may flatter this piano. I'd love to hear these mics with the D4.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 21, 2015 23:04:23 GMT -6
first, i think you playing is great, i also listened to one of your original tunes a while back, it was a bit of an epic song about a storm? cant remember exactly, what i do remember is that it pulled me in, and was GREAT! so no matter what mic you use, your good, that said, i'm not sure I like the nt5's, they sound a bit hard, strident and out of control to me, if i were you i'd get those samars, it's a small investment for someone with your level of talent, and you deserve them, the high end extension on them is killer, and any eq you put on them will work well as ribbons take eq great, then and only then, i will let you play on all my songs! no need to thank me 8) haha
I kidd 8)
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Post by M57 on Nov 22, 2015 4:58:42 GMT -6
Herbie's right about the piano - it's definitely a dark, mellow tone. The NT5's sound fine and I don't think a ribbon would work well with this piano at all. I preferred the D4 by a lot. More top end, more depth and fuller sounding. After listening to these clips a few times over I'm actually very curious about how the Josephson c42 and the KM184's would sound. I used to own a Josephson and they're a very detailed mic. Some people don't like the top end but it may be perfect for this piano. I never got along with the KM184's but I've heard some exceptional tracks by other engineers. Again, the top end detail may flatter this piano. I'd love to hear these mics with the D4. I've been thinking the NT5's would sound very nice with a pair of D4s, and I'm waiting to hear from Matt about picking up another D4. Nevertheless, It looks like I'll have the chance to audition some KM184s.
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Post by M57 on Nov 22, 2015 5:35:17 GMT -6
first, i think you playing is great, i also listened to one of your original tunes a while back, it was a bit of an epic song about a storm? cant remember exactly, what i do remember is that it pulled me in, and was GREAT! so no matter what mic you use, your good, that said, i'm not sure I like the nt5's, they sound a bit hard, strident and out of control to me, if i were you i'd get those samars, it's a small investment for someone with your level of talent, and you deserve them, the high end extension on them is killer, and any eq you put on them will work well as ribbons take eq great, then and only then, i will let you play on all my songs! no need to thank me 8) haha I kidd 8) Thanks, man. I'll take whatever compliments you can spare. I'm a self-taught pianist. I can't read my way out of a 4th grade piano book, but I can comp and solo over changes, so all is well in my little world. Classical guitar was my instrument back in college, and the bit of bread I've buttered as a musician has been primarily from being a vocalist. But I've always secretly loved the piano, so back when I played out (sheesh, it's been like two decades), bands would let me bang on the keys. I bought the baby grand new about 15 years ago, having never had a real piano before, so it's been a challenge trying to develop a reasonably functioning technique. Luckily, time (and my wife) have been my friends. I come home from work, write songs and pretend I'm playing out. Life is good. Anyway, I agree that the NT5's are a bit strident, but I'm thinking that they can be tamed by the right combination of pres. I have high hopes for the D4. That said, I've always liked the idea of using ribbons on the piano - some of the piano recordings I've heard with the Samars just melt me (I think they were Samars, the links were from this site), but I'm tempted to agree with others that they're likely not the right match for this piano. That said, if a pair somehow fell into my hands.. Regardless, even if I don't end up with ribbons I hope you don't hold it against me and never ask me to play on a track
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Post by M57 on Nov 22, 2015 9:25:53 GMT -6
BTW, I'm not positive that those Liquid 56 emulations are what I say they are. Focusrite uses faux names. I found what I think they are in an online blog somewhere. Focusrite calls what I think is the Neve a "Class A 2A." I decided to try the Helios and the Manley Slam emulations this morning. The Manley Slam is OK, brighter than the Neve and maybe a bit smoother than the API, but the Neve is still the standout. Here's a repost of all the takes so far. Basic Saffire mic presBelow are the Saffire Liquid pre-amp emulations - Dialing in the 'harmonics' knobs to about 1:30 on the clock: Telefunken V72Neve 1073API 3124+UA M610Manley Slam (new) Helios console (new) A list of the Liquid pres I didn't include in the shootout.. Avalon VT-737SP Focusrite Red 1 Millennia HV3D Pultec MB1 Also here are the the two mono D4 and Liquid Neve 1073 tracks using the NT5's on the same take mono Liquid Neve 1073 (my favorite from the takes in the above emulations in the shootout). mono Dizengoff D4
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 23, 2015 11:06:10 GMT -6
No joke, those mono tracks are difficult. I was listening to the emulations vs. the D4 and had to turn off one speaker to make it a fair comparison.
Anyway, I think the best emulations were the V72 and the 1073. I think I would give the slight edge to the V72 though. The Dizengoff D4 sounded more realistic with more depth to my ears. The emulations seem to mask the shortcomings of the mics in a flattering way, but they feel a bit lifeless compared to the D4. D4 seemed on the cusp of getting boomy and seemed to augment the sizzle of the mics a bit, but I still prefered the realism.
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Post by M57 on Nov 25, 2015 18:28:06 GMT -6
Just picked up the mics from Jesse this afternoon and threw down three quick tracks this evening on some of the stereo pairs. Beezneez Lulu FET Liquid Neve pre
NT5 Liquid NeveKM 184 Liquid NeveBeezneez Lulu FET Liquid Telfunken V72I cut tracks with the Liquid 1073 and the Liquid V72 for all three sets.. The Neve was my favorite with both the Rode's and the Neumann's so I'm posting all tracks with the Neve for a straight comparison, but I felt the Beezneez sounded better with the Telefunken so I included that as well. I probably won't get in any more work on this until Friday, but I just couldn't wait to start shooting. What do folks think?
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Post by M57 on Nov 26, 2015 5:48:31 GMT -6
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Post by forgotteng on Nov 29, 2015 15:48:28 GMT -6
I have had good results from a pair of Line Audio OM-1's or Avenson ST-02. Both Omnis. I've used them on a Yamaha Cfx7 and Yamaha uprights. I am also curious about the Rode ribbon mics. They are on my list to check out.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2015 10:54:47 GMT -6
Just picked up the mics from Jesse this afternoon and threw down three quick tracks this evening on some of the stereo pairs. Beezneez Lulu FET Liquid Neve pre
NT5 Liquid NeveKM 184 Liquid NeveBeezneez Lulu FET Liquid Telfunken V72I cut tracks with the Liquid 1073 and the Liquid V72 for all three sets.. The Neve was my favorite with both the Rode's and the Neumann's so I'm posting all tracks with the Neve for a straight comparison, but I felt the Beezneez sounded better with the Telefunken so I included that as well. I probably won't get in any more work on this until Friday, but I just couldn't wait to start shooting. What do folks think? The BeesNeez Neve link isn't working.
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