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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 27, 2015 7:06:51 GMT -6
Im surprised no one mentioned the cinebrass stuff from cinesamples. That's every trailer cue from the past 5 years right there!
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Post by b1 on Sept 27, 2015 7:41:08 GMT -6
I was looking at some of the Cinesamples stuff the other day, but got fixated on some of the features in Albion (Ostinato engine for creating melody lines). I believe Cinesamples uses Kontakt too. I'll be able to make a larger library now. Albion has some great brass too! Check it.
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 28, 2015 5:20:04 GMT -6
re: Reaktor, you can use MAXMSP for the same work and it's much more lightweight and all round better. There's a freeware version too, I believe.
But I don't know of any great popular music made with it. The Kid A era Radiohead stuff is the only exception, really interesting stuff!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 28, 2015 5:46:22 GMT -6
man, b1 i'm surprised you didn't go with the SoundsOnline composer's cloud for $30/mo. it kills the stuff albion comes with. albion sounds very dated, like it was created before everyone got multi-core machines with 16+GB of ram. www.soundsonline.com/composercloud
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 9:38:35 GMT -6
I didn't want to step into the cloud or do the subscription thingy.
I'm not hearing "dated". Brass, Woodwinds, Percussion, and Strings all sound as they should. Some patches are 1 or 1.5 GB (still haven't checked them all). Albion doesn't have everything under the sun, but has enough of most things. Plus some VSL is included with Kontakt 5. I should be pretty well covered. East-West doesn't have the Ostinato engine, though. I guess you'd have to buy everybody's product to have everything. I did hear a couple of good patches from Berlin Strings.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 28, 2015 10:41:15 GMT -6
what version of albion did you grab? they have 4, and they're discontinuing v1, and it was on sale for 159 pounds
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 11:03:30 GMT -6
Version 1 for $229.00... not too shabby for what you get. Spitfire's other libraries are at least twice the price.
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 11:06:45 GMT -6
...that's the one they're discontinuing.
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Post by 79sg on Sept 28, 2015 11:26:10 GMT -6
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 11:57:28 GMT -6
That's interesting. This was at the bottom of the page:
"There are also few exceptions of ‘special’ moments from the original ‘legacy’ Albion that they felt they couldn’t better, so they have retained those in ONE, you know who you are! All of these sections are available to download as a single pack or in convenient sections so you can grab what you need now and come back anytime to treat yourself to the other treasures you have bought."
I'd like to find out what that last sentence means. I'm not sure I'd want to cross-grade a library though, maybe buy outright... will definitely keep an eye out.
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Post by 79sg on Sept 28, 2015 12:39:48 GMT -6
Yes, I have thought the same. I'm hopeful there will be better clarification in the official release. Why would anyone want to give up what they've already bought? I would have offered the "new" Albion at a reduced price for those that already own the legacy as they put it. Not enough information has been released to truly know.
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 12:54:58 GMT -6
I agree. That's seems the logical move; to offer "legacy" owners a reduced price. Maybe we'll need to interject that idea into the forum (if I ever get approved).
Tim
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Post by popmann on Sept 28, 2015 13:02:37 GMT -6
"VSL" contained in Kontakt is not VSL. Their player is key. They have no good reason to try to port to Kontakt. They no doubt licensed some samples from their cheap libraries to NI to reprogram for Kontakt. Fwiw.
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 13:16:15 GMT -6
I was skimming through the Kontakt Library PDF and it mentioned VSL legacy sounds, plus updated content.
Here it is:
"2.3 Orchestral The complete Vienna Symphonic Library Orchestra from the KONTAKT 3 Library has been extended with the addition of solo strings plus a concert hall organ. In addition to the VSL content, the Orchestral Collection features a fine selection of orchestral percussion and two grand pianos. All the content has been reworked utilizing the new Performance View possibilities. The old VSL instruments are still provided in the form of “legacy instru- ments”, which you can find in the “Legacy VSL Instruments” folder. Here is the full folder structure of the Collection:"
"Name Short Description" VSL Strings Solo and ensemble string instruments, including a harp VSL Woodwinds Solo and ensemble woodwinds VSL Brass Solo and ensemble brass instruments VSL Percussion Pitched and unpitched percussive instruments Orchestral Percussion Various percussive instruments Keyboard Instruments Two concert grands, a harpsichord and church organs (including the new VSL organ) Legacy VSL Instruments See appendix There are two main types of Instruments in the Orchestral Collection: multi-articulation In- struments and single articulation Instruments. These two types do share some features."
I'll have to see what all this means when I have it.
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 13:21:05 GMT -6
BTW, has anyone tried C.Hackl's Church Organ? It was sampled @ 24/96k from a Cathedral Pipe organ. I've used that for a few years. Quite lovely indeed. If you can still find it - grab it!
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Post by b1 on Oct 2, 2015 20:12:23 GMT -6
The Full version of Kontakt 5 Standalone is just as troublesome as the Player version. It kills the system sound and the GUI will NOT load. I have to restart the PC to get the sound back on. Put another support ticket in.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 4, 2015 10:32:29 GMT -6
The Full version of Kontakt 5 Standalone is just as troublesome as the Player version. It kills the system sound and the GUI will NOT load. I have to restart the PC to get the sound back on. Put another support ticket in. Why would u use the standalone tho? The whole point of those libraries and software is to SEQUENCE with them, not play them with a standalone app that wont allow you to sequence anything. What are you trying to do?
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Post by b1 on Oct 4, 2015 10:49:27 GMT -6
Was wanting to use the standalone version to test, audition patches, and make adjustments/presets, without the DAW.
I've just about figured out, if you don't configure the standalone version on it's maiden voyage, you won't get another chance unless you reinstall. It tries to use the Sys. sound after that - poorly I might add. It adds other faders to the Sys. tray for some reason. That's when the sound dies. I didn't have the interface or keyboard connected the first time. After closing it and hooking everything up, trying to restart it didn't work; even after restarting the PC.
It works fine as a VSTi though. Not going to reinstall anytime soon. I'll just use the VSTi...
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Post by b1 on Oct 4, 2015 10:54:23 GMT -6
I would like to know about the Kontakt Library "loss-less" compressed format. Is it 16 or 24 bit? Gotta be 44.1k. I'm suspicious about it all, especially when they don't go into details or comparisons. Anyone developed instruments on this platform?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 4, 2015 11:17:29 GMT -6
On the mac version of the standalone app, its easy to change audio/midi setup via the menus. Are you on windows or something?
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Post by b1 on Oct 4, 2015 11:32:57 GMT -6
Windows... I imagine if I was setup when I first ran it it would be fine. Probably a bug in the exe. I'm just not interested in troubleshooting it in the near future, but I should be able to use any sound scheme I want. Maybe it has to do with IDT audio. I dunno... (((scratches head)))
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 4, 2015 11:43:51 GMT -6
Thats just really odd they dont offer a means of changing which audio and midi inputs its using in the windows version. You sure you didnt find a setup/options menu to configure the app/set buffer size?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 4, 2015 11:48:46 GMT -6
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Post by b1 on Oct 4, 2015 12:00:18 GMT -6
Oh, the options are there. What I'm saying is, I think when I didn't configure it for ASIO the first time it started, it locked into Windows sound. It couldn't configure the outputs correctly, 'cause the faders in the tray weren't consistent. One time it had two faders. Another time it had four faders. I've got 7.1 or optical through IDT, plus HDMI. Something was preventing it from falling back on an output scheme. It couldn't even default to the system sound. Then trying to launch the exe the second time, the GUI was hidden, even though it was running.... weird. I submitted it to NI as a bug.
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Post by phrazemaster on Oct 4, 2015 22:56:21 GMT -6
I don't use orchestral stuff for much more than roughs, so I use one of the Kontact libraries. I can double out the trumpet parts myself, which adds some realism. But it's usually orchestra + guitar + synths and the density also hides my lazy/cheap attitude towards this. What I will say is a lot of people mainly mess up is how to write for orchestra. If you want it to sound "Classical" and you can't do the appropriate voice leading and range + dynamic range use of each instruments, then you're already in trouble. Likewise if you want something more modernist, that has its own set of rules. I studied it for a number of years and you'd be surprised how much more believable an orchestration can be if you actually voice your Ic-V-I cadences correctly. I have to give a +1 for the voice-leading comment. I have a buddy who spends a lot of time writing orchestral scores, and they end up ok-mediocre at best (though I would never tell him that!). His problem is he doesn't know how to do voice leading. He probably has a lot of parallel 5ths/octaves and breaks other rules, but he never gets a very realistic sound. I lay no claim to greatness but I do get much better results with the same sound sets as he does, merely by dint of following what Bach et al laid out for us lo these many hundreds of years ago... And full disclosure, I'm laughably using a library for Sibelius called NotePerformer that does a bang up job of automating phrasing. I was recently asked what orchestra I hired to produce a score, so with a bit of composition work you can get good results from lots of libraries I'm sure!
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