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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2015 19:32:09 GMT -6
I ran the Gold Strings on a Pentium4 WinXP 2.66. It's SO low impact. But, then I ran VSL on the same--only with the original player--Pro eats more CPU. I have a feeling they must've changed names/packages.
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Post by b1 on Sept 22, 2015 20:58:40 GMT -6
I think they added the Diamond set. It looks like the Gold is all 16 bit now and the Diamond is 24 bit.
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Post by b1 on Sept 22, 2015 21:09:13 GMT -6
Now I remember why I haven't used any Native Instruments stuff for awhile... amateurish junk! One headache after another. That nixes the possibility of using anything that relies on NI, including the Spitfire Albion which I was about to spring for. The Full version Kontakt Player times out after 15 minutes. The full version of Kontakt is an added $400.00 of headaches. I had a converter somewhere, but I think it only converted Giga format. I've got a Sony version of Kontact that may work, but it's tied to XP 32 bit. What a mess!
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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2015 22:14:30 GMT -6
Kontakt is the f'n DEVIL of VIs.
The "free player" that times out if you hit the wrong button is bad form all around. I wish Mojo Horns wasn't da fucking bomb....else I wouldn't have it on my machine.
But, yeah...the QLSO is SUPER low overhead unless they have some fancy new player that sucks CPU. If so....I have all the old installs of past PLAYs up to like v3 maybe? 4? Whatever my currently installed one is which is 64bit....it's teenie tiny....LASS is a HUGE resource suck all around (see using Kontakt)....VSL isn't hard on the CPU--it's more a of a RAM thing which doesn't matter since the move to 64bit (OS). If I had an SSD in there, they apparently have an option in the Pro player to load smaller buffers. But, I don't have 130gb of SSD free to keep it sitting there.
From memory, I think the full install of Gold+Mics is maybe 30-40gb. I've never had it run me out of RAM even in 32bit playing....so, unless they've changed something major with a PLAY revision, it's really lightweight. And doesn't use Kontakt.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 22, 2015 22:44:03 GMT -6
MOJO Horns sounds like hot garbage.
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Post by b1 on Sept 23, 2015 5:53:49 GMT -6
The Sony Acid Kontakt I've got is around version 1, so it won't load newer Libs. The new Kontakt Player v5.5.1 is a nasty little piece of work. It hosed the sound and paralyzed any audio app., plus the volume control. Had to use Task Mangler to kill the Vol. Control. It also added a S/PDIF in AND out fader to the System Tray. Also added a virtual DVD drive, which disappeared after the first crash. After removing the Kontakt Player, I had to restart the PC twice to get the sound to work again. If the Kontakt Player is still in this condition after version 5, then it's intentional in order to sale the full version. I call that witchcraft. Good riddance NI. I'll not reward you by throwing money at you!
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Post by jazznoise on Sept 23, 2015 6:19:38 GMT -6
Glad I stuck with 4, then!
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Post by deepdark on Sept 23, 2015 6:42:03 GMT -6
I've had succes with Garritan personal orchestra (GPO4). Once you get used to it, it comes pretty easy to work with
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Post by b1 on Sept 23, 2015 13:15:51 GMT -6
I've had succes with Garritan personal orchestra (GPO4). Once you get used to it, it comes pretty easy to work with I forgot about Garritan. I'm trying to like it, but nothing on their site convinced me. There are some better examples on YouTube. It seems it would be fine for some underscore or layering type stuff, but mostly what I'm hearing is 16 bit SoundFont quality. Yet there are some convincing passages I've heard. It's a step above dealing with the new Kontakt Player, though.
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Post by b1 on Sept 24, 2015 11:15:46 GMT -6
Glad I stuck with 4, then! I remembered I've got Kontakt versions 3 & 4 on an XP x64 HDD. Both of those time out after awhile too. Did you activate your version 4? I don't understand how others are able to use Kontakt without getting a timeout. The only NI stuff that doesn't timeout for me are Sony Acid Kompact (thought was Kontakt) and Kore player from about 5 years ago.
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2015 13:14:38 GMT -6
4 "player" (the included one with every K instrument I've bought) times out--but, it's if you click a button that happens to be a feature of the "full Kontakt"---all they need to do is grey those buttons out in the player....OR give a dialogue "this is only available in the full version, would you like to switch to full demo mode?" But they don't--it just switches and you can't switch back. If anyone knows of a way to switch back--post it. Love to know.
So, how they use it without dealing with the time out is to be super careful about what you click.....stick to loading presets....basic instrument UI manipulation, and it won't trigger....it's triggered by clicking the wrench button (that opens the edit UI) for sure.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 24, 2015 13:25:40 GMT -6
Now I remember why I haven't used any Native Instruments stuff for awhile... amateurish junk! One headache after another. That nixes the possibility of using anything that relies on NI, including the Spitfire Albion which I was about to spring for. The Full version Kontakt Player times out after 15 minutes. The full version of Kontakt is an added $400.00 of headaches. I had a converter somewhere, but I think it only converted Giga format. I've got a Sony version of Kontact that may work, but it's tied to XP 32 bit. What a mess! Hans Zimmer uses a lot of NI, it's all in HOW you use it. I've been using it for a decade with no issues.
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Post by b1 on Sept 24, 2015 13:35:18 GMT -6
4 "player" (the included one with every K instrument I've bought) times out--but, it's if you click a button that happens to be a feature of the "full Kontakt"---all they need to do is grey those buttons out in the player....OR give a dialogue "this is only available in the full version, would you like to switch to full demo mode?" But they don't--it just switches and you can't switch back. If anyone knows of a way to switch back--post it. Love to know. So, how they use it without dealing with the time out is to be super careful about what you click.....stick to loading presets....basic instrument UI manipulation, and it won't trigger....it's triggered by clicking the wrench button (that opens the edit UI) for sure. Oh, wow. I didn't know there were tricks to using it. Those are common sense proposed changes that you mentioned, but contacting NI with those suggestions would be like asking a robot pre-programmed to ignore. I'll keep that tidbit in mind. Wonder if there are other players that will load NI Libraries? I looked for a converter, but there's no such thing for the older proprietary samples. The new libraries are contiguous monolithic lumps. I'm hoping I can make it work 'cause I'm really interested in the Albion Instrument at this point, based on some of it's features and being more comprehensive. If that fails, it looks like I'll go with building up East-West Libraries. sigh... I guess that's the only one that has a dedicated player other than the ones that use the Aria engine or Kontakt.
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Post by b1 on Sept 24, 2015 13:39:25 GMT -6
Now I remember why I haven't used any Native Instruments stuff for awhile... amateurish junk! One headache after another. That nixes the possibility of using anything that relies on NI, including the Spitfire Albion which I was about to spring for. The Full version Kontakt Player times out after 15 minutes. The full version of Kontakt is an added $400.00 of headaches. I had a converter somewhere, but I think it only converted Giga format. I've got a Sony version of Kontact that may work, but it's tied to XP 32 bit. What a mess! Hans Zimmer uses a lot of NI, it's all in HOW you use it. I've been using it for a decade with no issues. I hear other people are using it without issues. I guess the Kontakt player turned me off a while back. Plus NI support is the pits. I reckon I'd have to turn a blind eye to NI in order to have a platform to use a lot of 3rd party Libraries. A bunch are based on Kontakt.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 24, 2015 14:16:34 GMT -6
Hans Zimmer uses a lot of NI, it's all in HOW you use it. I've been using it for a decade with no issues. I hear other people are using it without issues. I guess the Kontakt player turned me off a while back. Plus NI support is the pits. I reckon I'd have to turn a blind eye to NI in order to have a platform to use a lot of 3rd party Libraries. A bunch are based on Kontakt. Reaktor has a lot of potential.
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Post by b1 on Sept 24, 2015 14:36:11 GMT -6
I hear other people are using it without issues. I guess the Kontakt player turned me off a while back. Plus NI support is the pits. I reckon I'd have to turn a blind eye to NI in order to have a platform to use a lot of 3rd party Libraries. A bunch are based on Kontakt. Reaktor has a lot of potential. There's some interesting Reaktor "circuit" type presets in Kore Player. Does Reaktor load other Libraries or does it have it's own closed format?
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Post by mobeach on Sept 24, 2015 16:50:50 GMT -6
Reaktor has a lot of potential. There's some interesting Reaktor "circuit" type presets in Kore Player. Does Reaktor load other Libraries or does it have it's own closed format? It has a Factory mode where you can use editable presets, and Player mode where you can drag programs like The Mouth, Skanner etc into the open field then run them as stand alones or in a DAW. Reaktor has a ton of presets in lots of categories. I'm still running Reaktor 5.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 24, 2015 16:56:05 GMT -6
You put your library folder into Reaktor using Windows, or Mac. My Documents > Native Instruments > Reaktor 5 > Library > Presets. For example, then boot it up and they'll be there to use.
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Post by b1 on Sept 24, 2015 17:39:33 GMT -6
That looks like an interesting setup, mobeach. I must be one of the few not using NI. I may get the Albion Vol. 1 Library & see how it goes with the Kontakt Player. That may mean I'm committing to the full version of Kontakt, ugh... It must work, 'cause no one depending on it has complained.
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Post by b1 on Sept 25, 2015 13:07:48 GMT -6
Why do I feel like I made a Big Mistake?
So, I buy Albion. Now I need to reinstall Kontakt Player to authorize the library and test it. All of the patches play a piano sound, but at least as long as you don't touch the darker GUI buttons on the player, It doesn't timeout. Maybe the keyboard needs to put out a MIDI stream, or some nonsense. I close the player, hook up the keyboard and the player doesn't start. It shows in task mangler but no GUI. I tried to get help by registering on the Spitfire forum but need admin approval. By now the guys are counting my money and have gone out on the town. I'll have to wait 'til they get tired to get help. Now I try to get NI support to answer my questions. But they found a fool (me!) who bought the full version of Kontakt so they could just work without the limited player edition. But after NI counted my money, they hooked up with Spitfire at the local dive to talk about the fools they know!
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Post by b1 on Sept 25, 2015 14:29:31 GMT -6
Apparently I had to go back to 1998 and restart the computer... working now.
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Post by b1 on Sept 25, 2015 14:33:08 GMT -6
To NI's credit, they just answered my support ticket.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 25, 2015 16:21:35 GMT -6
I had an issue like that years ago, I had to delete the EXE file then upgrade. For some reason the whole program wouldn't upgrade to the newer version while the older EXE was in the VST folder. Computers suck sometimes.
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Post by b1 on Sept 25, 2015 16:47:21 GMT -6
I may have made a mistake hitching my wagon to NI's star, after all. My sound died again. Now I've got to restart the PC. I've got a BUNCH of diff type programs, and NI is the biggest amateur stuff on the disk. In my book, they can't even keep their program straight, so why are they trying to mess around with virtual drives !?
Hopefully the full version of Kontakt is better made, or else the 40+ GB of extra sounds that comes with it will be useless... arghhhhh
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Post by b1 on Sept 27, 2015 6:25:19 GMT -6
I finally tried the Kontakt 5 Player as a VSTi. It works flawlessly, unlike the standalone version. Used it auditioning the patches for several hours. The sound worked after closing Reaper. Now this makes me look forward to the full version of Kontakt 5. I notice there's a smaller version of VSL in the included samples disk content. The Albion Orchestral Suite is quite nice too. The extra mic placements moves the Orchestral pieces in the soundstage, somewhat. If you buy the Albion library, you get a cross-grade price on the full version of Kontakt 5... $249.00 instead of $399.00.
$229.00 for Albion (Gone after Oct.1st) $249.00 for Kontakt 5 ---------- $478.00 Total
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