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Post by Ward on Oct 6, 2015 5:43:53 GMT -6
So much of this is good mic placement according to the tone of the guitar and how the player attacks it. That being said for a training exercise I set up an Avenson ST-02 omni mic instead of a LDC and I really liked the focus it gave. I'm often surprised when an omni works when I thought it wouldn't. It really depends on the mic. Most LDCs change tone dramatically when put in Omni. Personally, I get really annoyed dealing with the center midrange hump all Neumanns get when put in Omni pattern. U87s in particular.
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Post by forgotteng on Oct 6, 2015 6:57:41 GMT -6
I hear ya. I rarely use an LDC in omni mode. (Maybe I should try.) If I'm going Omni I'm using a smaller diaphragm like the Avenson ST-o2 or Line Audio OM1. They tend to be a little faster with transients too. Again it depends on the song and how the player is playing too.
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Post by gouge on Oct 6, 2015 14:30:13 GMT -6
Welcome, Gabriel! I use my Royer badge backwards, which is the bright side, so I have to reverse the polarity when tracking it. This is Interesting. I went away from using my 121 on acoustic and e guitar because the proximity effect of the mic started bugging me. Does this get away from that.
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Post by Ward on Oct 6, 2015 17:23:43 GMT -6
Welcome, Gabriel! I use my Royer badge backwards, which is the bright side, so I have to reverse the polarity when tracking it. This is Interesting. I went away from using my 121 on acoustic and e guitar because the proximity effect of the mic started bugging me. Does this get away from that. Not entirely, but it helps with clarity.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 10, 2015 19:14:40 GMT -6
Here's a how to IMO from Randge In the videos we can see how he has his mics setup. That Royer at the shoulder adds so much body and weight without being boomy. Taking it out of the mix makes a huge difference. Surprisingly so. Martin John Butler the canon is well represented here with Cody playing it. The other guitar is my 1941 Authentic D-28. Both are fine instruments. The 41 is just gorgeous and the 28 is perfectly bluegrass. Love them both.
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Post by forgotteng on Oct 10, 2015 19:21:35 GMT -6
This is blowing my mind. I have tried the over the shoulder mic but I've never tried the over under mic in front. Can't wait to try this.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 10, 2015 19:43:52 GMT -6
I'm not sure what to add after all that! But the over the shoulder mic has sounded surprisingly good the few times I've used it, I'll have to bring that back. Even a guy I tracked years ago remembered me using that on him because he liked the sound so much.
I will also submit that the humble XY position with some nice SDC can sound really good in the usual 14th fret or so position, with minimal phase issues thanks to the coincident mic technique. It's a sound you're used to hearing but you can pan it as wide as you like for added interest compared to a mono mic technique. Really easy to set up.
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Post by Randge on Oct 10, 2015 19:58:27 GMT -6
With that setup, you can do virtually anything you want. Thin the guitar out, just back off the shoulder mic and high shelf the top and bottom. make it thicker for finger picking, bring in the Royer more. With the Auto Align plug on the three mics, it is perfectly in phase and really works for me.
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Post by ericn on Oct 10, 2015 20:51:35 GMT -6
With that setup, you can do virtually anything you want. Thin the guitar out, just back off the shoulder mic and high shelf the top and bottom. make it thicker for finger picking, bring in the Royer more. With the Auto Align plug on the three mics, it is perfectly in phase and really works for me. Randy my friend your last sentence nailed it and why this place is so much more fun I might do it different but I will never argue with your results !
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 10, 2015 21:11:31 GMT -6
those are some damn nice sounding geetars you got there cowboy! it also seems they'd play very well in the same tune or doubled part.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 10, 2015 21:40:40 GMT -6
those are some damn nice sounding geetars you got there cowboy! it also seems they'd play very well in the same tune or doubled part. Yeah I use em together like that a lot, Tony. I'm blessed to own them for sure.
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Post by Randge on Oct 10, 2015 22:13:32 GMT -6
With that setup, you can do virtually anything you want. Thin the guitar out, just back off the shoulder mic and high shelf the top and bottom. make it thicker for finger picking, bring in the Royer more. With the Auto Align plug on the three mics, it is perfectly in phase and really works for me. Randy my friend your last sentence nailed it and why this place is so much more fun I might do it different but I will never argue with your results ! Thanks, Eric. However, i think that is just his iphone feed and not my mics. Post the vid again with the mics only, Cowboy!
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 10, 2015 22:50:35 GMT -6
Randy my friend your last sentence nailed it and why this place is so much more fun I might do it different but I will never argue with your results ! Thanks, Eric. However, i think that is just his iphone feed and not my mics. Post the vid again with the mics only, Cowboy! gawd damn R! if thats the iphone feed, i need to get me that specific iphone!! 8)
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Post by Randge on Oct 10, 2015 23:57:11 GMT -6
I think it is. I just sent him the files this afternoon, so I would be surprised if he had time to drop them into this vid that quickly.
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Post by Randge on Oct 11, 2015 0:10:05 GMT -6
Confirmed that those are indeed the studio mics. I was just hearing the youtube sqozing and thought different, as I know exactly what they sound like without the internet intervening. He is gonna post the individual files so they can be downloaded I believe.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 11, 2015 5:37:11 GMT -6
I had joy listening to it, and it seems I can learn something from Randge... ah not to forget @cowboycoleminer for a great performance. Randge I always have dificulties to track players, including myself, using steel fingerpicks. Its not the attack, its most often the noise of a minimal slide which the picks cause when hitting the string. Is there anything fingerstyle players do about it, strings diffrent picks diffrent hand position?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 11, 2015 8:01:55 GMT -6
Here's the uncompressed wav files. These are mixed to my taste with eq and panning. I'll try to post the raw waves later so you guys can play with them if you want. db.tt/BdsP07zzdb.tt/E4huFKOo
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 11, 2015 8:21:44 GMT -6
I had joy listening to it, and it seems I can learn something from Randge... ah not to forget @cowboycoleminer for a great performance. That's not me playing. That's Cody Kilby. Plays with Kentucky Thunder. If I could play like that, I'd do nothin but sit around and play with myself all day. Ha..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 11, 2015 9:29:26 GMT -6
All I can say is yikes!
Oh, in the video I see two mics, where's the third mic?
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Post by ericn on Oct 11, 2015 9:39:30 GMT -6
Randy my friend your last sentence nailed it and why this place is so much more fun I might do it different but I will never argue with your results ! Thanks, Eric. However, i think that is just his iphone feed and not my mics. Post the vid again with the mics only, Cowboy! Randy I was talking in general but I do think Cowboy has the U47 of IPhones ! Every clip on his sounds better than any IPhone I have ever had !
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Post by Randge on Oct 11, 2015 10:13:40 GMT -6
I had joy listening to it, and it seems I can learn something from Randge... ah not to forget @cowboycoleminer for a great performance. Randge I always have dificulties to track players, including myself, using steel fingerpicks. Its not the attack, its most often the noise of a minimal slide which the picks cause when hitting the string. Is there anything fingerstyle players do about it, strings diffrent picks diffrent hand position? I have encountered only one guy who fingerpicked acoustic with metal picks. I, too, fought the scraping noise. With banjo and reso guitar, a bit of it is supposed to be there but it exhibits a brassy sound on acoustic guitar. I would much prefer finger nails, fake nails or fingertips for acoustic guitar.
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Post by Randge on Oct 11, 2015 10:14:53 GMT -6
All I can say is yikes! Oh, in the video I see two mics, where's the third mic? There is a top and bottom mic at the 10-12th fret (Peluso P-28's) and a Royer 122 over his right shoulder, Martin.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 11, 2015 10:26:55 GMT -6
I forgot to ask which phase algin plug do you use?
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Post by Randge on Oct 11, 2015 10:50:49 GMT -6
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Post by Randge on Oct 11, 2015 10:52:21 GMT -6
I also use their Drum Leveler as well when I have an issue mixing drums. Usually, its just bringing hihats down in the overheads if the drummer played them too hard and I didn't catch it at tracking.
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