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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2015 7:54:30 GMT -6
With the new POP Music project I find myself mixing more and more ITB because there are so many changes to do. If I recall the desk for all the songs I will jump right out of the window one day, and to be true I ask myself how AE did in the past without bang thier heads on the wall, or at least smoking a lot of spliff.... I went to my retailer to try a few DAW controllers. First of all their are all overpriced. The Mackie makes a cheap impression, Q con na I do not know.... and everything else was out of budget. My retailer is a fair business man he want to make customers happy and he advised me to use this one on the I pad. neyrinck.com/Its great and works very good. You can write fades with it, wonderful. The best of it all its 50 bucks. If you want access the next 8 faders just use two finger and go to the left/right on the pad. Very good control in mixing, you get some kind of - I touch something real feeling. You track guitars and you ahve to leave your control room....cool take the I pad with you as remote control for the DAW. The free version also great try it before you buy..... neyrinck.com/ |
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Post by WKG on May 28, 2015 8:53:27 GMT -6
V-Control is great! I love the portability of just picking up the iPad and moving wherever you want to. The little remote window function is handy also, sometimes I'll use it to access Totalmix to tweak headphones.
Hard to beat for $50.
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Post by M57 on May 28, 2015 9:06:43 GMT -6
I loved the V-Control with Pro-Tools, but it was horrible with Logic Pro. Logic's free app is MUCH better.
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2015 9:20:12 GMT -6
I loved the V-Control with Pro-Tools, but it was horrible with Logic Pro. Logic's free app is MUCH better. I still use Logic 9 and its wonderful with logic 9 I think for Logic 10 they have to do some update work. But I wont reach Logic 10 soon, because I am still happy with 9. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2015 10:13:37 GMT -6
Still using my Frontier Design Tranzport...
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2015 11:00:32 GMT -6
Still using my Frontier Design Tranzport... Used this one a long time too but from logic 9 on mine did nothing but trouble, and FD is out of business. I sold it due to the fact that there is no support anymore. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 28, 2015 11:15:11 GMT -6
neyrinck.com/Its great and works very good. You can write fades with it, wonderful. The best of it all its 50 bucks. Thanks for posting this -- I've been meaning to try it for a while. Gonna give it a shot. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2015 18:42:14 GMT -6
neyrinck.com/Its great and works very good. You can write fades with it, wonderful. The best of it all its 50 bucks. Thanks for posting this -- I've been meaning to try it for a while. Gonna give it a shot. Jupp it takes some time to know it in detail. If you want to make real small fader moves like 0.2 you have to hold your finger a second on the fader otherwise you move to fast away and you will make a slide on the touch screen. To me its the best solution if your budget is tight….. |
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Post by drbill on May 28, 2015 18:57:02 GMT -6
I recently opted for the Artist Mix. Seemed the logical choice for pro tools and has eucon control, so it's good for any apps that support Eucon. Motor faders were a must for me. I've been getting wrist and finger joint issues with other alternatives. Plus the plug in control and extras are excellent. For me, I consider it reasonably priced. It's not "cheap" though....
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 28, 2015 20:15:29 GMT -6
I recently opted for the Artist Mix. Seemed the logical choice for pro tools and has eucon control, so it's good for any apps that support Eucon. Motor faders were a must for me. I've been getting wrist and finger joint issues with other alternatives. Plus the plug in control and extras are excellent. For me, I consider it reasonably priced. It's not "cheap" though.... I scooped mine up used. they're around $5-700 if you look hard enough. I spent time with the Neyrink software for a while (shelled out the $50). I stopped using it after a while, as it's good, but a physical fader is way better than a glass touchscreen in my opinion. |
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Post by drbill on May 28, 2015 20:50:05 GMT -6
I had to make a complete system changeover very quickly and I just bought a new one. Got a great deal for $900
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Post by jeromemason on May 28, 2015 22:53:48 GMT -6
Presonus faderport! I've got V-control and I like using it when I'm out in the other room listening to make little volume changes, works really well for that.
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Post by Randge on May 29, 2015 11:20:49 GMT -6
I use my Smart console now, but I used the Steinberg CMC controllers before that. If I am just doing light overdubs, the CMC controllers work perfectly and many times I will just use those.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 11:48:58 GMT -6
Still have this guy, that i got new for very reasonable money...  Since Win8 it runs very cool as a class compliant USB device and is great for controlling sonar as flying fader MCU surface and 2 MCU Extenders, it's working under linux, too, but i still have to figure out how this dammit Mixbus control surface thing works. There are guys who did it, but i had too little time spent on this yet... I experimented with touchDAW for android recently, looked promising.... Also have some B-ringer BCF and BCR boxes, sturdy stuff that comes handy from time to time ... but not touch sensitive and therefore another cup of tea, but ok for the price ... |
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Post by kidvybes on May 29, 2015 17:37:19 GMT -6
Still have this guy, that i got new for very reasonable money... Since Win8 it runs very cool as a class compliant USB device and is great for controlling sonar as flying fader MCU surface and 2 MCU Extenders, it's working under linux, too, but i still have to figure out how this dammit Mixbus control surface thing works. There are guys who did it, but i had too little time spent on this yet... I experimented with touchDAW for android recently, looked promising.... Also have some B-ringer BCF and BCR boxes, sturdy stuff that comes handy from time to time ... but not touch sensitive and therefore another cup of tea, but ok for the price ... Looking for a clean one of those myself... |
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Post by mrholmes on May 29, 2015 18:14:03 GMT -6
I never understood why tascam stoped building it. One of the tools which have been discontinued the day I said YES PLEASE....
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 19:16:18 GMT -6
Some people couldn't read the quick start manual and complained over and over the "there is always three faders moving instead of one" or "why does it have so many midi ports"...
Also, people complained about the faders not beeing "real" motorized capacitively touch-sensitive audio type faders but a pure digital solution that actually works very well and quiet.
This said, all faders i heard were louder than tascams solution and had other issues. And it's pretty easy to understand, that you have to put a very slight pressure *right from the top down* and not sideways or whatever to let it stop movement and punch in automation. Very easy and slick working, nothing like working against motors or what else people complained about.
Then, Microsoft couldn't be consistent with their USB midi stuff. And went 64 bit right at the same time. No good OS class compliant driver until later Win7 and Win8. And did not really clear things up at that time. Like if they would support the old winmm interface besides their DirectMusic stuff and when usb midi would work out-of-the-box. It didn't.
And further driver development and testing did not seem feasible for TASCAM since it didn't sell as well as they wished, i guess, and support went belly up for this unit. I must say i was pretty pissed about this.
Nevertheless, they managed to get a last firmware update out that brought the unit up to specs with usb class compliance, this is, why it works flawless now and in future.
I bought it, when the "Big T." sold a huge bunch of them out, i guess they were the last ones, for 799 Euros instead of 1600, something around that, which was a pretty good deal.
I love it still for what it is and plan to use i alot in future, i hope i get it properly working with Mixbus now.
I once scripted a preset set on a flexible Sonar 8 32 bit control surface DLL, which allowed to use it also with a mode in which all 24 gain knobs worked as channelstrip controls on the actual channel with a click of a button, you know, EQ and stuff - but did never work on a solution for later Sonar. Might come back to this maybe, cause i miss it a bit.
So, yes, i like it. Alternatives are a little bit steep in pricing for my taste. LCD Scribble strip would have been nice. And meterbridge. But i checked out a guy's design who did exactly this with Midibox PIC, and the build would have been a nice DIY, but i actually don't miss this too much and may work on something like a software scribble strip if i get the time for it ... too many projects...
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Post by swurveman on May 30, 2015 7:15:03 GMT -6
Still have this guy, that i got new for very reasonable money... Since Win8 it runs very cool as a class compliant USB device and is great for controlling sonar as flying fader MCU surface and 2 MCU Extenders, it's working under linux, too, but i still have to figure out how this dammit Mixbus control surface thing works. My former partner had one of these that worked on an Hackentosh and a very old Pro Tools HD system. However, we couldn't get it to work on Windows 7 64 bit on Cubase 6.5 or Pro Tools 11. It was very disappointing, because it really was a great controller. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:37:47 GMT -6
Actually, in Win8 it worked like a charm from the beginning. OS drivers, no install, actually all programs i throw midi on. Yes, this was one reason i left out everything between XP32 and Win8.
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Post by swurveman on May 30, 2015 8:43:50 GMT -6
Actually, in Win8 it worked like a charm from the beginning. OS drivers, no install, actually all programs i throw midi on. Yes, this was one reason i left out everything between XP32 and Win8. That's encouraging. Was there something about Windows XP32 to Windows 7 that changed in Windows 8? If this controller will work in Cubase 8 and Pro Tools 11 with Windows 8, I'll buy it from my former partner. Still, I'm skeptical because of Avid's desire to keep controller's proprietary to their products. |
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Post by M57 on May 30, 2015 8:47:52 GMT -6
Here's my round up of the least expensive hardware DAW controllers that have motorized faders. Any thoughts on these? Especially the X-Touch, which are pretty new to the market and reviews are scarce.
Behringer BCF 2000 $300
Behringer X-Touch compact $400
Behringer X-Touch $600
PreSonus Fader Port $130
As I mentioned before, I'm already using the Logic App for ipad, but pretty much exclusively remotely, like when recording and I'm away from the box. I never touch the app mixer and end up mousing at the computer.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 30, 2015 9:01:07 GMT -6
Still have this guy, that i got new for very reasonable money... Since Win8 it runs very cool as a class compliant USB device and is great for controlling sonar as flying fader MCU surface and 2 MCU Extenders, it's working under linux, too, but i still have to figure out how this dammit Mixbus control surface thing works. There are guys who did it, but i had too little time spent on this yet... I experimented with touchDAW for android recently, looked promising.... Also have some B-ringer BCF and BCR boxes, sturdy stuff that comes handy from time to time ... but not touch sensitive and therefore another cup of tea, but ok for the price ... I had the FW-1884 Control Surface/Interface. It was a really cool box until the firewire card blew leaving me with a brick. |
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Post by swurveman on May 30, 2015 11:42:15 GMT -6
Actually, in Win8 it worked like a charm from the beginning. OS drivers, no install, actually all programs i throw midi on. Yes, this was one reason i left out everything between XP32 and Win8. I've had similar success with Windows 7 64-bit professional with my usb connected M Audio Keyboard, Presonous Faderport and Korg PadKontrol. It was just the US-2400 which would not work with Cubase 6.5 (now 8) and Pro Tools 11. I wonder if it has something to do with the DAW software. |
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Post by kidvybes on May 30, 2015 13:43:15 GMT -6
Here's my round up of the least expensive hardware DAW controllers that have motorized faders. Any thoughts on these? Especially the X-Touch, which are pretty new to the market and reviews are scarce. Behringer BCF 2000 $300 Behringer X-Touch compact $400 Behringer X-Touch $600 PreSonus Fader Port $130 As I mentioned before, I'm already using the Logic App for ipad, but pretty much exclusively remotely, like when recording and I'm away from the box. I never touch the app mixer and end up mousing at the computer. ...X-Touch isn't released yet...looks great...I've had success with the BCF2000 and the Presonus Faderport...Faderport is excellent (I wish they made an extended version with 8 faders)...if I can't find a clean US2400 then the X-Touch looks to be my next controller... |
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Post by kidvybes on May 30, 2015 15:41:47 GMT -6
There are rumors floating around that Behringer has delayed the X Touch "indefinitely " and are concentrating their resources on an iPad/touch solution. Hope that's not the case. ...they just exhibited a working unit last month in Europe, so I would imagine the demand is too strong to ignore... |
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