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Post by mobeach on May 10, 2015 17:26:31 GMT -6
I'm thinking about picking up a cheap one to test the waters, are they any more difficult than playing guitar? I know scales, chords and modes etc so that part is already taken care of. I'm curious how hard it is to learn the slide/bar aspect of it.
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Post by wiz on May 10, 2015 17:29:38 GMT -6
impossible to answer in reality.
as long as it takes... 8)
go buy a bar, or use a slide... flip your acoustic on its back, play that for a bit and see how it is.
Scale length on lap steels can be tricky...
but have a crack with what you have first...
cheers
Wiz
(ps finding the right slide/bar is tricky to....)
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Post by Randge on May 11, 2015 8:29:40 GMT -6
With some proper initial technique lessons, I can get you rolling along pretty well. It also depends on what styles you are going after as well. John Paul Jones sounds like a rank beginner to someone who spends their life playing one, so, it's all perspective, Mobeach.
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Post by svart on May 11, 2015 9:01:12 GMT -6
From what I've seen, I think it's like any other instrument.. The notes/chords are learned quickly, but the finesse to do it adeptly takes a long time.
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Post by jimwilliams on May 11, 2015 10:16:57 GMT -6
Poorly, about a day. Great, about a lifetime. This was why studio musicians were created.
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Post by mobeach on May 11, 2015 10:39:26 GMT -6
With some proper initial technique lessons, I can get you rolling along pretty well. It also depends on what styles you are going after as well. John Paul Jones sounds like a rank beginner to someone who spends their life playing one, so, it's all perspective, Mobeach. I certainly know I'll never be a Jay Jackson, mainly I want to learn how to do those ascending and descending swells like you'd hear on Black Tears performed by Aldean. More of an ambience thing as opposed to playing lead on it. |
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Post by Randge on May 12, 2015 8:18:42 GMT -6
Gotcha. Much of what pedal and lap steel have been delegated to in recent country songs is what I call "whale sounds". The instrument is so powerful that I hate that it has kind of been dumbed down to that only, when there are people who can really wear it out not being heard. I can skype you and get you started down the right path, MoBeach. A 30 minute lesson and lots of practice time after that will get you there. Getting a proper bar, a thumb and finger picks and an instrument that is set up well are key. Many play with just a thumbpick, but you should be able to use both bare fingers and 3 picks for a wide range of color sounds.
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Post by mobeach on May 12, 2015 9:39:56 GMT -6
Gotcha. Much of what pedal and lap steel have been delegated to in recent country songs is what I call "whale sounds". The instrument is so powerful that I hate that it has kind of been dumbed down to that only, when there are people who can really wear it out not being heard. I can skype you and get you started down the right path, MoBeach. A 30 minute lesson and lots of practice time after that will get you there. Getting a proper bar, a thumb and finger picks and an instrument that is set up well are key. Many play with just a thumbpick, but you should be able to use both bare fingers and 3 picks for a wide range of color sounds. Thanks, I don't have a Lap Steel yet, I wanted to get some idea first of what it would take, I do have thumb picks and stainless fingerpicks, I occasionally use them on an acoustic guitar. |
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Post by mobeach on May 12, 2015 17:47:36 GMT -6
I would like to learn how to do more eventually, but I'd prefer to master the basics before progressing. The Square Neck Dobro is in my sights too but I can't go too crazy right now.
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Post by mobeach on May 14, 2015 12:15:27 GMT -6
go buy a bar, or use a slide... flip your acoustic on its back, play that for a bit and see how it is. Tried the acoustic thing with a standard slide, the action on my acoustic is way too low! Now I know why Lap Steels and square neck Dobros have such high actions. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2015 15:32:28 GMT -6
Randge - who's the guy for 70's california sound Pedal Steel here? Seems like you mentioned someone a while back. I love what Dugmore does...just didn't know if there was someone out there I could farm a couple of tracks to and it wouldn't sound really polished a la the Franklin style...or early 90's Country...Don't mean that in a bad way about Paul Franklin, just not the style I'm looking for.
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Post by Randge on May 23, 2015 18:44:54 GMT -6
Tommy White would be my call or Gary Morse does the west coast stuff pretty well.
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Post by Randge on May 23, 2015 18:46:42 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on May 23, 2015 20:14:39 GMT -6
Damn RandgeI didn't know they existed.. how cool.. thanks Cheers Wiz |
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