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Post by terryrocks on May 7, 2015 14:02:02 GMT -6
I expect receive my 16a today or tomorrow and after reading the manual, the setup still seems a bit confusing.
i want to use it as an interface and the onboard mixer for individual headphone mixes.
i guess the routing matrix is what gets me.
Hoping someone here can offer a little guidance.
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Post by wiz on May 7, 2015 16:04:32 GMT -6
It took me a while to work it out...
best advice... sit down for a bit with coffee.. 8)
There are a couple of videos on Motus site.. watch those...
Then if you still have probs, tell me what you want your set up to do and I will see if I can help out...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeromemason on May 7, 2015 18:22:50 GMT -6
Just read the manual and play with it because you can just recall whatever it is you change if you get to a point where something is out of whack. I will say this, and what I love, anything inputs or outputs you route or disable WILL effect the core audio driver which is awesome because you don't have a bunch of I/O you're not going to ever use, then it's easy to change if you ever do need it, keeps everything nice and neat.
The converter will floor you btw.... amazing sound for that price and flexibility. I love mine and I've had it for a over a month now.
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Post by EmRR on May 7, 2015 18:29:14 GMT -6
I'm digging the sound, big step up for me. The AVB matrix is very much like the Dante interface, from what little I've seen of Dante networking between computers and audio devices. These things are both networking standards, and I might guess the matrix structure is to some degree a part of the spec. We'll see a lot more of this in coming years. #1 tip: relabel everything you can to something meaningful to your setup. Then you can see your names in every window versus guessing at each page.
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Post by terryrocks on May 13, 2015 14:31:01 GMT -6
Hello again guys.
I'm now all hooked up. Got my 16a connected to my computer via thunderbolt for tracking and network cable for wifi webapp access.
I can access the webapp on my ipad via the downloadable app, but I'm also supposed to be able to access the thing via ip address. That's what I can't yet get to work.
I pressed the ID button, copied down the ip address and entered it into my ipad. It won't work.
I cannot seem to find info on the motu site regarding this and thgt I'd come here before getting on the phone with motu,
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:24:02 GMT -6
The web interface of the Motus is available over an ordinary web browser via "http://" followed by the ip address. Should work on every common web browser. Sorry, can't speak for ipads, i'm on android with my pad, works like a charm....
You need the Motu AVB device beeing visible to your network though. Our Motu is connected to the WLAN router permanently with an ethernet cable and therefore visible on the switched network of our little studio as well as to all mobile devices via wlan.
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Post by terryrocks on May 13, 2015 17:35:38 GMT -6
Ok, so my ethernet cable is connecting directly to my computer. According to the motu manual this should work.
What am I misunderstanding?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:44:46 GMT -6
Oh, wait!
Your computer runs the webapp over thunderbolt already, on your computer the webapp application should provide something like a local server and you can access the web interface. From what i read, this is already working.
Plug the ethernet cable from the Motu right into one of the switch ports of your WLAN router.
The Motu will be available to all mobile devices connected to your WLAN even without the computer running.
Try to access the web interface with your ipad browser via ip-address again. Should work instantly.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:58:16 GMT -6
You can also display the IP address anytime directly on the Motu via the buttons on the front. Once connected to the wlan router, it should get it's ip from the WLAN router via dhcp (of course depending on the configuration of the router, but most of them are defaulting to this, and it makes sense for most situations).
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Post by terryrocks on May 13, 2015 22:51:24 GMT -6
I get the impression that I can do it without connecting the interface directly to my router. For me, not a solution since these devices exist on opposite ends(and levels) of my house.
i was under the impression I could connect ethernet cable from 16a to computer and use the computer like a router. Probably have to setup a new network?
From motu's 16A website:
Web app control
Control on-board DSP, mixing, device settings, and network audio routing from web app software running in your favorite browser on a laptop, tablet or smart phone connected by wire or Wi-Fi to your local area network.
Stand-alone mixing with wireless control
Connect an Apple Airport™ or other Wi-Fi router directly to the 16A with a standard Ethernet cable and control the 16A's powerful mixing and DSP effects from your smart phone or tablet, without a computer. Great for live sound mixing.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:19:32 GMT -6
Yes, that's how you could achieve this, using your computer as a switch/router/repeater/whatever needed.
Are you running your computer on WLAN?
You need a way the Motu could be made visible to the WLAN-Router as part of it's local network. However, I can not guide you how to set up the network ports, routing and whatever is needed on your computer to act as a switch/router/repeater for your Motu, so your WLAN-Router sees it properly and can make it available for your Wifi capable mobile devices. i assume you are on Mac, which i am not, also, computer networking is a science on it's own, i guess that's understandable...
But it should be possible, "somehow".
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:37:36 GMT -6
Building up a second WLAN for your studio room with a second cheap WLAN router, where you plug in the Motu and use just the LAN-switching and WLAN sending/receiving capabilities of the router is a viable and easy solution. But be aware you don't have the internet connectivity for firmware updates like if you would plug the Motu to your internet router. But firmware updates can also be made offline frome the internet with ethernet cabling like you have now, it's described in the manual and on Motu's homepage, how this can be done.
So yes, this would be an easy and practical way to give your mobile devices access to the motu web interface. For full studio control over WLAN you could even connect your studio computer to the new local wlan and use software like TouchDAW or a computer remote software similar to it and have full access to DAW and Motu routing from everywhere in the studio via tablets or mobile phones, so you can make monitor mixes and start/stop recording from everywhere. That's what we are just trying to achieve right now in our room, inspired by our first steps with the Motu. Works pretty good from first tests.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:54:10 GMT -6
Many WLAN routers could also be used as repeaters, so you get a big new WLAN network and can eventually plug in the Motu into the second router configured as a repeater, so everything is connected to one local network with internet access with two WLAN sender/receivers that also have ethernet cable switches, but if you haven't some dedicated computer network knowledge, it's not too easy to setup most of the time and dependend on the types of routers, their firmware etc.. So if you know what you are doing, go for it, or ask a computer network nerd you might know to help you right at your place.
There are lots of possibilities, computer network hardware has become cheap, WiFi devices like tablets, phones and network capable devices open up extremely flexible workflows in the studio...
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Post by EmRR on May 14, 2015 8:55:38 GMT -6
My studio has no internet connection. 16A via TB to iMac, AVB discovery app installed on iMac. My phone via iOS AVB Discovery can see the 16A. How? Good question, I never use it so I don't remember clearly. Possibly bluetooth link between devices? Or maybe when I have the iMac tethered to the phone via wifi? One of those should work with proper access permissions.
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Post by terryrocks on May 14, 2015 9:30:32 GMT -6
Yeah, I can get my ipad to see it via the downloadable discovery app, but it's also supposed to work by entering the ip addy of the interface directly into any webbrowser. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I want my friends to be able and control their own headphone mixes so I can focus on the rock
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Post by mulmany on Oct 6, 2015 22:18:46 GMT -6
Reviving this, cause I have a odd issue. I have submitted to Motu, but also wanted to post here.
I got my 16a installed and basic operation is going well and working great. My problem is hardware inserts inside of Protools 9 (I know I know). I have levels on the 16A I/O meters, and levels at my hardware, but it is not passing through back into PT mixer.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 6, 2015 23:05:03 GMT -6
Dunno about PT inserts, but are things looking correct on the routing grid for all ins and outs? Levels showing on the grid as well?
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Post by mulmany on Oct 6, 2015 23:19:07 GMT -6
Dunno about PT inserts, but are things looking correct on the routing grid for all ins and outs? Levels showing on the grid as well? Yup, everything looks right and meters correctly, just no sound. I eventually had random issues with everything. PT crashed a million times, random clocking noise on the digital outputs, unsupported buffer size...ect. very frustrating. It worked great until I tried to insert, then find a solution to the insert problem. I did the firmware update aswell. Was there an issue with that? |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 6, 2015 23:41:03 GMT -6
The last firmware update has been solid for me, I'm using DP.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 7, 2015 10:19:57 GMT -6
Yeah that sounds like some issues with PT not the Motu. Might check the sample rate to make sure everything clocking on the same page and such. I've had issues before where something wasn't talking the same rate and PT just truncated the launch and wouldn't open. Could be a buffer issue as well or the routing I/O but if you got signal in and out of both inserts and Motu then it's with the host.
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 7, 2015 18:33:39 GMT -6
Mine is on the way can't wait
with a big thanks to ericn
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Post by ericn on Oct 7, 2015 18:46:33 GMT -6
Mine is on the way can't wait with a big thanks to ericn I was going to call and see if you got it yet! Ketones sounded great in Nashville ! |
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 7, 2015 19:56:56 GMT -6
Not yet they had to order it in probably week to 10 days
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Post by mulmany on Oct 7, 2015 20:10:04 GMT -6
Well, figured out my problem. I was having a major pc melt down. Apparently something in windows update got screwed up when I last put it online. Was causing all kinds of havoc with the resources.
It also helps to go over your routing again and again.
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Post by porkyman on Oct 8, 2015 0:27:33 GMT -6
i had a hard time figuring out the routing matrix. could be because i was so used to RME. i dont know. "to computer" on the vertical OUTPUT grid threw me. "to computer" is INPUT to daw. even though its in the output grid. so ANALOG INS go to "to computer" on the OUTPUT grid. the "from computer" or from daw now is on the horizontal INPUT grid, even though its coming OUT from the computer. so the "from computer" INPUTS go to "analog" outs if that makes sense. the outs and in have to be the same for hardware inserts to work so keep that in mind.
to back route out for zero latency go ANALOG INPUT (the one u want to route out, say 16). ANALOG IN 16 to "to computer 16" and below that to any open "mix in" channel. set main monitor outs, mine are ANALOG 1-2 to main l main r. then in mixing window, make sure "main mix" is set to analog 1-2. also make sure the "mix in" channels you selected for back routing is checked under "mixing inputs" in the mixing window. then adjust level for play back. i hope this helps because it took me for ever to figure out. i couldnt find the answer anywhere.
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