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Post by mrholmes on Apr 27, 2015 18:59:09 GMT -6
Because I hate using HP while I track my own voice.
I prefer to put the monitor volume down it gives me a better feel in controling my voice.
Sometimes the spill is too much.
What about the SM7B? Would it kill lateral sound, or sound from the back?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Apr 27, 2015 19:15:51 GMT -6
why not use one of those reflexion filter things to block the signal from your speakers?
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Post by jimwilliams on Apr 27, 2015 20:31:32 GMT -6
Look at the polar pattern. Tight cardiod will not cancel much from the side, mostly at the null in the rear. Hypercardiod does better at the side but has a lobe in the rear.
None of them do well at higher frequencies, mostly they all look omni above 8k hz. Others have used tricks like Auratones mounted at the sides of the singer, one with flipped polarity. Get the mic exactly in the center and you get pretty good cancellation while still hearing the track well.
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Post by markfouxman on Apr 27, 2015 20:47:49 GMT -6
Ribbons at 90 degree usually exhibit the deepest and most consistent null at all frequencies.
Best, M
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 28, 2015 0:37:00 GMT -6
Look at the polar pattern. Tight cardiod will not cancel much from the side, mostly at the null in the rear. Hypercardiod does better at the side but has a lobe in the rear. None of them do well at higher frequencies, mostly they all look omni above 8k hz. Others have used tricks like Auratones mounted at the sides of the singer, one with flipped polarity. Get the mic exactly in the center and you get pretty good cancellation while still hearing the track well. Sounds interesting..... |
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Post by markfouxman on Apr 28, 2015 1:15:40 GMT -6
None of them do well at higher frequencies, mostly they all look omni above 8k hz. I am sure instead of "omni" you meant to say "cardioid". The higher the frequency the more directional the capsule becomes... It dependent on the capsule size and just the law of physics... Best, M |
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Post by Ward on Apr 28, 2015 7:28:43 GMT -6
The SM7 is definitely one of the best for rejecting bleed, as is the Sennheiser 441 if positioned properly but markfouxman also makes an excellent point about Ribbons! Also, jimwilliams is correct about most cardioid microphones becoming omni around 8khz and above. |
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Post by svart on Apr 28, 2015 7:47:17 GMT -6
I've seen pattern plots that show a little of both. Some mics tend to have more directionality at higher freqs, while some are more omni. The NT5 has more directionality based on this plot:  While this Earthworks mic has more omni looking pattern at higher freqs:  And this Sennheiser e604 becomes tighter at higher freqs:  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 28, 2015 8:01:38 GMT -6
I didn't care for them, but those Reflexion filters really do work. Maybe try one of them used, it's less expensive than buying a new mic just for it's pickup pattern. You don't want to compromise your choice of mic , even if the pickup pattern suits your situation do you?
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Post by Ward on Apr 28, 2015 8:48:27 GMT -6
They work, but they also do two things you might not like: Boost the low-mud or low-mid and increase the proximity effect.
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Post by brucerothwell on Apr 28, 2015 12:40:47 GMT -6
We investigated the best ways to record vocals without using headphones, for a vocal group, and discovered a technique that we understand was common at Abbey Road when the Beatles recorded -- I read that John and Paul would face each other at a Figure-8 mic: - We set up a mic that had a Figure-8 pattern, and grouped 3-4 of the vocalists on one side of the mic, and the other 3-4 on the other side.
- In this case, it allowed them to sing naturally, hearing each other very well.
- It also allowed them to designate one vocalist on each side of the mic as a "designated mouther" -- which all other vocalists would pay attention to, regarding when to finish off ends of syllables.
- Then we set up two powered speakers on stools off to the sides, off-axis, both at the same distance from the mic.
- The backing track -- just piano and drums -- was fed to both speakers, with the low-end and high-end rolled off.
- One speaker was set up out of phase from the other, which canceled most of the backing track on the recording.
- Another added technique for even more cancellation was to record a pass with the singers silent, standing in the same spot, and recording just the backing track
- That extra recorded backing track was then set out of phase with the recorded vocal track.
We ended up not doing the extra step, as the value added was minimal, but recording with the speakers out of phase really did the trick for us.
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Post by markfouxman on Apr 28, 2015 13:26:21 GMT -6
While this Earthworks mic has more omni looking pattern at higher freqs Yes, not surprising. The directivity is also a function of the diaphragm size (for example, that's exactly why 3/4" tweeters have wider sweet spot than 1" ones). Those Earthworks are 1/4", so the omni pattern can go to very high frequencies. The cutoff for 1/2" diaphragm will be already an octave down, and so on... Best, M |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 28, 2015 13:58:26 GMT -6
I have the UMT 70 with a f of 8 will try tomorrow….
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