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Post by mobeach on Apr 2, 2015 16:28:37 GMT -6
I have KRK Rokit 5's and I'm thinking about a KRK Subwoofer, when running these in line, will the lows I normally hear through the 5's remain the same or will certain lower frequencies automatically be transferred to the subwoofer via the built in crossover?
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Post by ericn on Apr 2, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -6
Depends on the crossover and how you set it up, in most cases the sub will have a hi pass to cut the lows out of the mains, read the manual some subs require you to adjust the low cut on mains. Some run mains full range.
Is there a best method ? Not really it all depends on what your after .
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Post by Randge on Apr 2, 2015 17:32:08 GMT -6
If you are running the speakers out of the sub, the crossover should control your bass functions to the sub and monitors also. Listen to your favorite music and music you know very well and dial your crossover to where it will be pleasing to you when you are in mix position. I am a bass hound, so I have my cross over set to hit me with quite a bit of bass. It helps me translate my mixes to other listening areas better and I catch a lot of low end issues that I would miss otherwise. I hear a lot of low end issues on records lately. Mostly vocal plosives and kick and bass blur. I chalk it up to people mixing in very compromised situations with no subs and improper filtering techniques.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 8:02:35 GMT -6
I haven't liked the typical high-pass the tops approach. With my previous DSM's and now with my Scepters, I run the tops and sub parallel which allows me to run the tops full range. I add the sub to the mix and set the crossover where the speakers naturally drop off. This means my sub does very little but add the truly missing sub information. I have always felt that the traditional way creates overlap and this way does not. Weird but what works for me.
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Post by Randge on Apr 3, 2015 8:31:50 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't trim the top at all either. I bring up the sub enough that it thumps like I want to hear it when I listen to records I know well and use as my references.
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Post by svart on Apr 3, 2015 9:39:25 GMT -6
I haven't liked the typical high-pass the tops approach. With my previous DSM's and now with my Scepters, I run the tops and sub parallel which allows me to run the tops full range. I add the sub to the mix and set the crossover where the speakers naturally drop off. This means my sub does very little but add the truly missing sub information. I have always felt that the traditional way creates overlap and this way does not. Weird but what works for me. I was going to say pretty much the same thing only I allow my sub to overlap some. I run my JBLs with the sub and speakers all at full frequency ranges and simply adjusted the sub level to "fit" the main monitors. It's not flat and probably has too much bass, but it supplements in a way that allows me to sense the bass better and my mixes have been much better for it. |
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2015 9:49:25 GMT -6
I am struggling with this exact issue right now. We are getting serious about tracking the songs we have written and I am not hearing the low end well enough to get translatable mixes. I chalk it up to these things:
- my inexperience at mixing. I want to go for a "classic" rock sound with enhanced low-end (Black Keys?) but I have yet to learn the sweet spots for EQ on kick and bass guitar, as I record/process them on my system
- I find that setting the subwoofer level is proving elusive. I keep changing the level, depending on the source material. I suppose I should settle on a reference (or three) and go with a level that splits the difference between them
- my room is untreated, and I'm sure that the prevailing flutter echo and bass nodes play havoc with my attempts to hear things. This may be my #1 problem, I need to get my hands dirty and fix this
Anyway, bass management is a big deal for me. Right now, I let my Dangerous ST split the tops/subs at 58hz. Not sure why they picked that frequency, and I don't think it can be changed.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 3, 2015 10:24:12 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't trim the top at all either. I bring up the sub enough that it thumps like I want to hear it when I listen to records I know well and use as my references. That has been the "non-scientific" way I've set my crossover and sub-volume too. I listen to something I know has a great mix and set it to where I think it sounds fantastic... |
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Post by ericn on Apr 3, 2015 10:24:29 GMT -6
I am struggling with this exact issue right now. We are getting serious about tracking the songs we have written and I am not hearing the low end well enough to get translatable mixes. I chalk it up to these things: - my inexperience at mixing. I want to go for a "classic" rock sound with enhanced low-end (Black Keys?) but I have yet to learn the sweet spots for EQ on kick and bass guitar, as I record/process them on my system - I find that setting the subwoofer level is proving elusive. I keep changing the level, depending on the source material. I suppose I should settle on a reference (or three) and go with a level that splits the difference between them - my room is untreated, and I'm sure that the prevailing flutter echo and bass nodes play havoc with my attempts to hear things. This may be my #1 problem, I need to get my hands dirty and fix this Anyway, bass management is a big deal for me. Right now, I let my Dangerous ST split the tops/subs at 58hz. Not sure why they picked that frequency, and I don't think it can be changed. For years I Have been begging for somebody to build a decent bass management / monitor controller! I want options! I want to be able to set crosovers for multiple monitors and one sub system, at crossovers that work for each system, push a button run it full range with or without sub! I have seen it done with a rack full of equipment but it should not be that hard. I have always found stereo subs to work 100 times better than a single sub, the biggest problem is all about the summation above and below the crossover freq, think about it you have to drivers in the same ranage doing different things, this is why I can always find a mono sub! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 3, 2015 10:26:12 GMT -6
I am struggling with this exact issue right now. We are getting serious about tracking the songs we have written and I am not hearing the low end well enough to get translatable mixes. I chalk it up to these things: - my inexperience at mixing. I want to go for a "classic" rock sound with enhanced low-end (Black Keys?) but I have yet to learn the sweet spots for EQ on kick and bass guitar, as I record/process them on my system - I find that setting the subwoofer level is proving elusive. I keep changing the level, depending on the source material. I suppose I should settle on a reference (or three) and go with a level that splits the difference between them - my room is untreated, and I'm sure that the prevailing flutter echo and bass nodes play havoc with my attempts to hear things. This may be my #1 problem, I need to get my hands dirty and fix this Anyway, bass management is a big deal for me. Right now, I let my Dangerous ST split the tops/subs at 58hz. Not sure why they picked that frequency, and I don't think it can be changed. Hey Man, Not sure what you're using for headphones, but I find a nice set of phones helpful when trying to get a feel for my bass/kick relationship. I'm using AKG Q701's. |
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