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Post by KJ on Mar 17, 2015 22:40:43 GMT -6
First and foremost I would like to acknowledge that I am officially the biggest dumbass on this forum so please do bear with me... now here is my problem. As some of you would know I have placed an order for both 24Ai and 24Ao (yay) and sold my ufx and Lucid 88192. The problem is that I have also ordered a 2ch converter from antelope (pure2) to use as my main DA for monitoring but I have just realised that I can't use them as a unified system since I use windows based PC (you can't aggregate audio devices)... what should I do?? I feel so dumb for not realising this before placing an order damn it... anyone have a good suggestion?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:25:07 GMT -6
D'oh, yeah, that's odd.
My Sonar has the chance to use different interfaces at the same time.
For ASIO driver, this is obviously no option, since ASIO doesn't allow more than one interface at the time.
There is an option using something a bit similar to aggregated devices on mac by the usage of ASIO4All, there you can aggregate WDM driver devices under a virtual ASIO driver.
There are several tutorials on the net how to do this.
Obviously this comes at the cost of a latency hit most of the time and needs quite some tweaking to get a stable yet fast operation.
Will experiment with several options as well, soon.
There are also options of hardware ADAT->SPDIF converters as well. Alesis AI4 and similar. RME hardware for this purpose is quite not cheap...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 23:33:58 GMT -6
So, in nearest future i have to cope with these obstacles under windows as well, i will report about my experiences very soon...
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Post by KJ on Mar 17, 2015 23:43:59 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 18, 2015 0:09:19 GMT -6
my first inclination is to say get a console, and be happy as camper can be 8)
AD to the daw, DA to the console, console 2 buss out to antelope AD, antelope DA for monitoring= awesome!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 18, 2015 0:13:48 GMT -6
The Motu features 2-ch TOS Link over an ADAT port. the Pure2 also features TOSLink in. Clock the motus to the Pure2. problem solved. use a lightpipe cable :-) the Pure2 won't be connected to your computer tho.
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:18:08 GMT -6
 Tony you are a genius. You are right I actually do have a small format mixer (Sony MXP) that I could use and direct its 2 buss to AD of Antelope. Hmm Hmm.... Yeah I will give it a go and see how it works in my set up. God I love this forum! |
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:18:54 GMT -6
The Motu features 2-ch TOS Link over an ADAT port. the Pure2 also features TOSLink in. Clock the motus to the Pure2. problem solved. use a lightpipe cable :-) the Pure2 won't be connected to your computer tho. Hold on so it has both ADAT and TOSLink??? Shit!!!! p.s. hold on, it says it's optional. What does that mean? |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 18, 2015 0:24:24 GMT -6
man, look at the pictures of the rear back panels and email the manufacturers lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:27:53 GMT -6
Just a second ...
TOSLINK is just the connection type for digital audio type over lightpipe.
A TOSLINK connector can be used for SPDIF or ADAT digital audio, but this doesn't mean, that the device that has a TOSLINK connect understands both formats. Normally it doesn't...
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:31:43 GMT -6
Just a second ... TOSLINK is just the connection type for digital audio type over lightpipe. A TOSLINK connector can be used for SPDIF or ADAT digital audio, but this doesn't mean, that the device that has a TOSLINK connect understands both formats. Normally it doesn't... That's what I thought as well but take a look at this: 3 banks (24 ch) of ADAT optical at 1x sample rates 3 banks (12 ch) of SMUX optical at 2x sample rates Stereo TOSLink (optical S/PDIF) on Bank A (optional)
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 18, 2015 0:31:55 GMT -6
"Optional" *probably* means that you can specify if it's 2-ch Optical SPDIF or 8ch ADAT. That's how it works for most devices with ADAT ports. you decide if you want them to be ADAT or TOSLink in the device settings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:34:23 GMT -6
From looking at Pure2 webpage i assume:
There are different I/O connector options. AES/EBU, SPDIF over electrical RCA connector (named "SPDIF"), SPDIF over lightpipe/TOSlink (named "TOSLink").
So no ADAT connectivity.
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:40:00 GMT -6
"Optional" *probably* means that you can specify if it's 2-ch Optical SPDIF or 8ch ADAT. That's how it works for most devices with ADAT ports. you decide if you want them to be ADAT or TOSLink in the device settings. I see... pictures on Sweetwater looked a little different from the pictures on MOTU webpage so I thought TOSLink is an option that you need to pay for. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/24Ao |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:40:46 GMT -6
Just a second ... TOSLINK is just the connection type for digital audio type over lightpipe. A TOSLINK connector can be used for SPDIF or ADAT digital audio, but this doesn't mean, that the device that has a TOSLINK connect understands both formats. Normally it doesn't... That's what I thought as well but take a look at this: 3 banks (24 ch) of ADAT optical at 1x sample rates 3 banks (12 ch) of SMUX optical at 2x sample rates Stereo TOSLink (optical S/PDIF) on Bank A (optional)
www.motu.com/products/avb/24ai-24ao/specs.htmlHey! This one is new! I will have access to the 24Ao most probably this weekend. I will check. Originally, this option was not there. Using a bank of TOSlink connectors for SPDIF was not on the feature list. I guess they added this with a firmware update, which is very cool! Changes the game! Now, if you use the USB option, be aware, the MOTU can only connect 24*24 channels at the moment, until they got a higher channel count driver ready, which is in the works as of mrmiller . Therefore, you lose 2 independent channels of conversion if you use the Antelope via SPDIF. At least at the moment... |
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:44:24 GMT -6
That's what I thought as well but take a look at this: 3 banks (24 ch) of ADAT optical at 1x sample rates 3 banks (12 ch) of SMUX optical at 2x sample rates Stereo TOSLink (optical S/PDIF) on Bank A (optional)
www.motu.com/products/avb/24ai-24ao/specs.htmlHey! This one is new! I will have access to the 24Ao most probably this weekend. I will check. Originally, this option was not there. Using a bank of TOSlink connectors for SPDIF was not on the feature list. I guess they added this with a firmware update, which is very cool! Changes the game! Now, if you use the USB option, be aware, the MOTU can only connect 24*24 channels at the moment, until they got a higher channel count driver ready, which is in the works as of mrmiller . Therefore, you lose 2 independent channels of conversion if you use the Antelope via SPDIF. At least at the moment... Awesome! Please try it out and see if it works!! I can do without 2 channels if I can get pure2 to work in my current set up  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:50:06 GMT -6
mrmiller: Could you chime in by chance and clarify, if the SPDIF option on the first TOSlink bank of the MOTU 24Ai/Ao is really already working with the actual set of firmware and drivers?
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 0:58:37 GMT -6
mrmiller: Could you chime in by chance and clarify, if the SPDIF option on the first TOSlink bank of the MOTU 24Ai/Ao is really already working with the actual set of firmware and drivers? +1  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 1:23:27 GMT -6
Look, KJ , what i just found in the firmware history of the MOTUs... I very strongly assume, by "Toslink optical option" they *mean* SPDIF, because AFAIK the Toslink ADAT option worked since the release of the units. Also, they now have 64 channels working, at least for 44.1 and 48kHz. It would be very nice if they could make it work for double speed (88.2 and 96kHz) as well. I heard for the competitor Orion 32 it could be accomplished? EDIT: Maybe i don't get it clear...but really 64*64 in 44.1 and 48kHz? This is great! Curious if 88.2 and 96kHz also have increased channel count in the USB driver on Windows, and how much??? At same driver bandwidth this would mean really 32*32 in double and 16*16 in quad speeds. Which would be marvellous and much faster achieved than i expected....... Good news for us, if true. v1.2.0+548 (Release Date 2015-03-17) For all models, increased the channel count available over USB, up to 64 channels in and out at 44.1 or 48 kHz.v1.1.5+546 (Release Date 2015-02-24) Improved handling Sample Rate changes for AVB v1.1.4+543 (Release Date 2015-02-12) Improved AVB compatibility Improved USB audio class support Added TosLink optical option to 24Ai, 24Ao, and Monitor 8 Fixed EQ Bandwidth issue |
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 1:39:55 GMT -6
Look, KJ , what i just found in the firmware history of the MOTUs... I very strongly assume, by "Toslink optical option" they *mean* SPDIF, because AFAIK the Toslink ADAT option worked since the release of the units. Also, they now have 32*32 channels working, at least for 44.1 and 48kHz. It would be very nice if they could make it work for double speed (88.2 and 96kHz) as well. I heard for the competitor Orion 32 it could be accomplished? v1.2.0+548 (Release Date 2015-03-17) For all models, increased the channel count available over USB, up to 64 channels in and out at 44.1 or 48 kHz.v1.1.5+546 (Release Date 2015-02-24) Improved handling Sample Rate changes for AVB v1.1.4+543 (Release Date 2015-02-12) Improved AVB compatibility Improved USB audio class support Added TosLink optical option to 24Ai, 24Ao, and Monitor 8 Fixed EQ Bandwidth issue Sweet jesus it just gets better and better. All my sessions are in 48 kHz so I can use all analogue I/Os on 24 and still use antelope as a DAC. I guess all I need to know now is how well their driver performs on windows Mine will probably arrive in 2 weeks time so I won't be able to test them until then.. smallbutfine perhaps you can report back once you've spent some time playing with them this weekend? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 1:50:47 GMT -6
Will do. Hope it is already there this weekend.
Btw. updated the above post with a speculation about the USB firmware/driver bandwidth.
I hope Michael Miller can elaborate a bit more about the new options with the newly released updates, as it is not 100% clear for me, but reads nevertheless very good...
Seems MOTU really listens to customer feature request and cares. Very appreciated.
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Post by mrmiller on Mar 18, 2015 9:30:55 GMT -6
Will do. Hope it is already there this weekend. Btw. updated the above post with a speculation about the USB firmware/driver bandwidth. I hope Micheal Miller can elaborate a bit more about the new options with the newly released updates, as it is not 100% clear for me, but reads nevertheless very good... Seems MOTU really listens to customer feature request and cares. Very appreciated. We do listen and always try to incorporate your feedback! The latest firmware (1.2.0) adds support for higher channel counts over USB: 64x64 at 1x rates (44.1/48khz), 32x32 at 2x and the same 24x24 at 4x. You can enable this from the USB Mode drop down menu in the Device tab after updating. We did indeed add optical S/PDIF by popular demand to bank A on all the interfaces. You can select whether bank A is ADAT or optical S/PDIF (TOSLink) from the Device tab. The input and output can also be configured independently. |
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Post by KJ on Mar 18, 2015 11:58:45 GMT -6
Will do. Hope it is already there this weekend. Btw. updated the above post with a speculation about the USB firmware/driver bandwidth. I hope Micheal Miller can elaborate a bit more about the new options with the newly released updates, as it is not 100% clear for me, but reads nevertheless very good... Seems MOTU really listens to customer feature request and cares. Very appreciated. We do listen and always try to incorporate your feedback! The latest firmware (1.2.0) adds support for higher channel counts over USB: 64x64 at 1x rates (44.1/48khz), 32x32 at 2x and the same 24x24 at 4x. You can enable this from the USB Mode drop down menu in the Device tab after updating. We did indeed add optical S/PDIF by popular demand to bank A on all the interfaces. You can select whether bank A is ADAT or optical S/PDIF (TOSLink) from the Device tab. The input and output can also be configured independently. That's great! Just a quick question. Is TOSLink a default option on 24Ai and Ao or do I need to pay extra $$ to add them on? |
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Post by mrmiller on Mar 18, 2015 12:04:46 GMT -6
That's great! Just a quick question. Is TOSLink a default option on 24Ai and Ao or do I need to pay extra $$ to add them? Sorry for all the confusion over the word option! It's a feature available on every AVB interface (except the 112D). You don't need to pay extra for it or anything. Initially, we supported ADAT only. A firmware update later added the ability to choose whether optical bank A was sending/receiving ADAT or S/PDIF. We added the "option" to switch the protocol for optical bank A to S/PDIF. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 13:34:05 GMT -6
Wow, thanks, mrmiller, to come back to us and giving us the clear details, which are actually ... not less than amazing! More exciting features than i expected in the short amount of time! Actually speaks for the hardware and software architecture of the AVB devices family, that it was possible to implement these features in a very reasonably short amount of time. Great work! This opens up new setup possibilities to fit individual studio demands and even better integration of existing gear. |
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