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Post by drew571 on Mar 11, 2015 14:10:57 GMT -6
reason i ask is i've been doing this for quite some time now and noticed in a patch bay manufacturers manual that it said it was not a good idea to plug a mic directly into a patch bay. I've heard of needing to be careful when doing this with phantom power and the ribbon mics etc... but never heard of patchbays having a negative effect on microphones plugged into them....
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 11, 2015 14:19:10 GMT -6
the problem is when you plug a jack into your patchbay you drag the tip over the ring and sleeve potentially sending 48v into the patchbay, xlr's are straight pinned and never cross, i do NOT run Mic panel jacks/phantom into my patchbay, i've heard plenty of people say it doesn't bother them to do so.
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Post by svart on Mar 11, 2015 14:26:06 GMT -6
I plug mine through 2 patchbays. One in the recording room, and again in the mix room to patch the mic into a preamp. I generally try to turn off the phantom on that channel and let it drain a few seconds before repatching, but I've done it hot maybe a couple hundred times over the years. Some mistakes, some lazyness. I've never blown a mic or a preamp.
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Post by drew571 on Mar 11, 2015 15:16:17 GMT -6
ok, that's what i thought. it was the last line in the manual. thought it was a bit odd.
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Post by svart on Mar 11, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -6
They are probably putting that in writing in case someone does blow a mic or a preamp and gets lawsuit happy.
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Post by WKG on Mar 11, 2015 15:26:46 GMT -6
I wired up a 16 channel XLR bay for convenience.
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Post by mobeach on Mar 12, 2015 17:01:03 GMT -6
Plug everything in before you turn everything on  |
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Post by Ward on Mar 12, 2015 17:09:07 GMT -6
Or become adept at turning phantom power off whenever you make changes. It's not something I would ever claim to be able to remember to do!!
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 12, 2015 17:28:20 GMT -6
I wired up a 16 channel XLR bay for convenience. +1 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 13, 2015 6:06:25 GMT -6
I have my mics running straight into the Patchbay and then patch them in from there. I have that cheap DBX patchbay and haven't been able to run any phantom power through it though, so I've just usually plugged my sdc straight into the preamp instead.
There shouldn't be any problem with plugging the mics into the patchbay right? That sure is convenient.
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Post by drew571 on Mar 13, 2015 7:07:56 GMT -6
Yeah. I have the Samson S-Patch Plus bay and it's very versatile with having the switches for normal, half-normal, and thru right on the front. 48v has always worked fine.
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Post by brucerothwell on Mar 13, 2015 7:55:35 GMT -6
the problem is when you plug a jack into your patchbay you drag the tip over the ring and sleeve potentially sending 48v into the patchbay... I suppose if you have a TRS patchbay, it might help if you use a short XLR-to-TRS adapter cable, to eliminate the issue of plugging/unplugging the TRS connection? (leaving the adapter cable connected all the time) |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 13, 2015 10:45:01 GMT -6
the problem is when you plug a jack into your patchbay you drag the tip over the ring and sleeve potentially sending 48v into the patchbay... I suppose if you have a TRS patchbay, it might help if you use a short XLR-to-TRS adapter cable, to eliminate the issue of plugging/unplugging the TRS connection? (leaving the adapter cable connected all the time) I don't see how that helps in a traditional patchbay setup? I may not be understanding what ur saying though? If u had female xlr patchbay and xlr patch cables ud be ok, but I've never seen that, just make a dedicated xlr mic panel and be ur to shutdown phantom when u re patch. |
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Post by drew571 on Mar 13, 2015 10:52:26 GMT -6
i think bruce is saying you just leave the 1/4" end plugged in all of the time so you just connect the xlr end when necessary.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 13, 2015 10:55:02 GMT -6
I wired up a 16 channel XLR bay for convenience. I did this with a 24 channel XLR bay. The XLR's go to the inputs of mic pres. The outputs of the mic pres are on the tt patchbay's. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 13, 2015 11:04:22 GMT -6
i think bruce is saying you just leave the 1/4" end plugged in all of the time so you just connect the xlr end when necessary. that would work, but not the prettiest.. and limiting, i have my patch panel set up like dan mentioned above, on my new set up i'm probably going to go 48 through a single dedicated patchbay and label with cautionary red, i will be using the pre's in line mode a lot as inserts on my console, to have them set up as they are now will be totally inconvenient moving forward IMV. |
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Post by drew571 on Mar 13, 2015 11:28:12 GMT -6
i think bruce is saying you just leave the 1/4" end plugged in all of the time so you just connect the xlr end when necessary. that would work, but not the prettiest.. and limiting, i have my patch panel set up like dan mentioned above, on my new set up i'm probably going to go 48 through a single dedicated patchbay and label with cautionary red, i will be using the pre's in line mode a lot as inserts on my console, to have them set up as they are now will be totally inconvenient moving forward IMV. like the idea of the red tape. why are you inserting pre's in line mode, for added color? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 13, 2015 11:47:08 GMT -6
that would work, but not the prettiest.. and limiting, i have my patch panel set up like dan mentioned above, on my new set up i'm probably going to go 48 through a single dedicated patchbay and label with cautionary red, i will be using the pre's in line mode a lot as inserts on my console, to have them set up as they are now will be totally inconvenient moving forward IMV. like the idea of the red tape. why are you inserting pre's in line mode, for added color? you got it, the vp28's are astoundingly great in that capacity, they're like the gift that keeps on giving 8) |
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Post by drew571 on Mar 13, 2015 16:19:36 GMT -6
like the idea of the red tape. why are you inserting pre's in line mode, for added color? you got it, the vp28's are astoundingly great in that capacity, they're like the gift that keeps on giving 8) do you typically adjust gain at all or just leave everything at unity? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 13, 2015 19:36:04 GMT -6
you got it, the vp28's are astoundingly great in that capacity, they're like the gift that keeps on giving 8) do you typically adjust gain at all or just leave everything at unity? depends on what I want, the harder you push the input and back the output, the tighter and more compressed things become, i swear they are awesome compressors, at unity it's just a light touch. |
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