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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 20:34:26 GMT -6
I'm going to apologise in advance for this  .. But you guys are the voice of reason.! I'm driving myself crazy over this, ever since I bought some Coax monitors (Equator D8's) I can honestly hear quite a difference in convertors. I'm unsure if it's a blessing or a curse, I never heard that sort of detail in Focals or Sonodynes.. Anyway, I've been round the block trying the latest GS favourite like the Audient ID22. It was fine for a cheap interface, I did like my Apogee Duet 2 but sold it due to lack of I/O. Quartet doesn't have S/Pdif, the reason I sold a Symphony before is because it's overkill for a track at once setup but the quality is probably the best I've heard.. Which is why I'm considering it again, after Thunderbolt Card and 2X6 I/O and neutrik cables it comes in @ $3000.00 over here but it still feels like too much. Apollo sounds cool, the lack of DAC quality concerns me a little or I'd of just gone with that. Lynx Hilo and UH-7000 is out due to latency, I use quite a lot of VI's so Thunderbolt is preferable. It's probably going to end up being a Symphony, but thought I'd get some thoughts on it anyway. P.S I already have UAD Satellite quad, so that's another reason not to go Apollo.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 1, 2015 20:45:39 GMT -6
Let me introduce you to my little friend... www.realgearonline.com/thread/2161/secret-project-svart-ad-convertersI have a Burl AD that I really love, but I'm buying both AD and DA of these. They are using the absolute best chips on the market and will be as good if not better than the Symphony. I bought a used Ross Martin DAC and it's fantastic. He currently has a 3-6 month wait, so that started the conversation about alternatives. Svart stepped up and has designed these...They are a 1/5th the price of one symphony. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 21:00:04 GMT -6
Let me introduce you to my little friend... www.realgearonline.com/thread/2161/secret-project-svart-ad-convertersI have a Burl AD that I really love, but I'm buying both AD and DA of these. They are using the absolute best chips on the market and will be as good if not better than the Symphony. I bought a used Ross Martin DAC and it's fantastic. He currently has a 3-6 month wait, so that started the conversation about alternatives. Svart stepped up and has designed these...They are a 1/5th the price of one symphony. Looks awesome, what I'd really like is a Metric Halo ULN-2 with Apogee Symphony conversion and Thunderbolt is that too much to ask?  .. Heard good stuff about the Ross Martin ADDA's. Burl's a little on the pricey side  .. |
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Post by drew571 on Feb 1, 2015 21:10:14 GMT -6
I've been in the market as well, been leaning the Orion32 route though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 21:36:41 GMT -6
I've been in the market as well, been leaning the Orion32 route though. Looks like a good way to go.. I had a look around, heard they've improved the UAD Apollo 16. So off I twaddle to have a look, the ONLY problem with it was the DAC to the monitor outs in the original design. That's the only thing they had to fix as they're of lesser quality than their line outs and that's the only thing they didn't improve. Where's the logic in that? So if there are any Apollo users, can you change your monitor out selections and couple them? |
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Post by wiz on Feb 1, 2015 21:37:20 GMT -6
I have a MOTU 16A coming...
will report back as to what its like.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by drew571 on Feb 1, 2015 21:42:57 GMT -6
I've been in the market as well, been leaning the Orion32 route though. Looks like a good way to go.. I had a look around, heard they've improved the UAD Apollo 16. So off I twaddle to have a look, the ONLY problem with it was the DAC to the monitor outs in the original design. That's the only thing they had to fix as they're of lesser quality than their line outs and that's the only thing they didn't improve. Where's the logic in that? So if there are any Apollo users, can you change your monitor out selections and couple them? I could be wrong, but I don't think there are monitor outs like there are on the UA. There are 4 dsub connectors that you would probably just wire to a patchbay or directly to your monitors/monitor controller. So you'd basically be able to choose whatever line outs you want to use as your monitor outs. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 21:48:14 GMT -6
Looks like a good way to go.. I had a look around, heard they've improved the UAD Apollo 16. So off I twaddle to have a look, the ONLY problem with it was the DAC to the monitor outs in the original design. That's the only thing they had to fix as they're of lesser quality than their line outs and that's the only thing they didn't improve. Where's the logic in that? So if there are any Apollo users, can you change your monitor out selections and couple them? I could be wrong, but I don't think there are monitor outs like there are on the UA. There are 4 dsub connectors that you would probably just wire to a patchbay or directly to your monitors/monitor controller. So you'd basically be able to choose whatever line outs you want to use as your monitor outs. Sorry I was talking about the Apollo not the Orion, Orion looks cool by the way!.. Very logical design, good specs. Edit: Day Jobs are boring.. |
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Post by drew571 on Feb 1, 2015 21:53:24 GMT -6
whoops! my bad. |
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Post by RicFoxx on Feb 2, 2015 6:46:06 GMT -6
I have a MOTU 16A coming... will report back as to what its like. cheers Wiz this is what I would like to know? |
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Post by swurveman on Feb 2, 2015 9:12:08 GMT -6
There's a used Cranesong Hedd on Ebay for $1,999.00.
If I were tracking one at a time I'd be tempted, but I like color. So, passing that along....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 16:10:41 GMT -6
On a side note, Don from Apogee replied to me when I asked if the advertised specs were the "real world ones". Turns out they are, can't deny it's a very impressive interface..
Hmmmm damn you ya tasty piece of slutty gear, you're going to make my wallet cry.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 2, 2015 18:14:34 GMT -6
I'll sell you my Symphony.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 18:44:24 GMT -6
I'll sell you my Symphony. I really was interested CBCM, the only issue I had was Warranty. As much as I love Apogee stuff, I've had one of them go pop after a few years.. To buy an 8x8 here brand new with a 3 year warranty (without DB25 cables) you're looking about $2700.00 and a 2 X 6 I/O is $2175.00. If I bought yours I'd have to pay an import surcharge as well as shipping, you'd have to do me one heck of a deal and I didn't want to be rude. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 10, 2015 16:01:45 GMT -6
don't forget to take into account software features like zero-latency monitoring when you make your choice. Also, Symphony works just fine over USB. no need for the tbolt box.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2015 21:51:02 GMT -6
I'll sell you my Symphony. Cowboy, I'm curious why you'd sell your Symphony. I went with 2-Aurora 16's, but I have to admit that after working on projects that use the Apogee converters that I like the color. So, I'm curious why you'd let yours go. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 11, 2015 22:12:17 GMT -6
I'll sell you my Symphony. Cowboy, I'm curious why you'd sell your Symphony. I went with 2-Aurora 16's, but I have to admit that after working on projects that use the Apogee converters that I like the color. So, I'm curious why you'd let yours go. I just like the workflow of the Apollo much better. I've got a Burl tethered to it and a Ross Martin so both ends are covered if I want to ramp up. But the Apollo is certainly no slouch clocked off the Burl. Plenty good enough for anybody IMO. My Symphony has been unplugged and sitting idly by in the corner for quite some time to be honest. |
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Post by swurveman on Feb 11, 2015 22:26:21 GMT -6
Cowboy, I'm curious why you'd sell your Symphony. I went with 2-Aurora 16's, but I have to admit that after working on projects that use the Apogee converters that I like the color. So, I'm curious why you'd let yours go. I just like the workflow of the Apollo much better. I've got a Burl tethered to it and a Ross Martin so both ends are covered if I want to ramp up. But the Apollo is certainly no slouch clocked off the Burl. Plenty good enough for anybody IMO. My Symphony has been unplugged and sitting idly by in the corner for quite some time to be honest. I assume you're talking about their virtual console software. They really knocked it out of the park with that. Which Burl do you have? The Ross Martin stories have scared me off of that. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 11, 2015 22:37:44 GMT -6
I just like the workflow of the Apollo much better. I've got a Burl tethered to it and a Ross Martin so both ends are covered if I want to ramp up. But the Apollo is certainly no slouch clocked off the Burl. Plenty good enough for anybody IMO. My Symphony has been unplugged and sitting idly by in the corner for quite some time to be honest. I assume you're talking about their virtual console software. They really knocked it out of the park with that. Which Burl do you have? The Ross Martin stories have scared me off of that. B2 Bomber ADC, and yes, I had to wait 7 or 8 months on the RM. But hey, I finally got it and it's a nice sounding unit. Glad I went through with it. |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 22, 2015 7:13:30 GMT -6
So, I may pick up a used Symphony 16x16 and sell my Apollo Quad Silverface, UA 4710-d, RM Superbeast and PCM4222. I will at least break even, if not come out a few dollars ahead. I will lose 8 preamps, quad DSP, unison pre's and the ability to track through UAD plugs.
I still have an Octo Thunderbolt, and I never really printed any plugs on the way in. I'm trying to move toward more hardware anyways.
I need a 16 channel front end. I was using the conversion on the 4-710d to get 8 more channels into the Apollo. I don't know how the conversion quality of the 4-710d stacks up in the world of converters.
What do you guys think? I'll be losing some pre's and DSP, but won't fork over additional cash. Worth it?
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Post by RicFoxx on Aug 22, 2015 7:16:49 GMT -6
So, I may pick up a used Symphony 16x16 and sell my Apollo Quad Silverface, UA 4710-d, RM Superbeast and PCM4222. I will at least break even, if not come out a few dollars ahead. I will lose 8 preamps, quad DSP, unison pre's and the ability to track through UAD plugs. I still have an Octo Thunderbolt, and I never really printed any plugs on the way in. I'm trying to move toward more hardware anyways. I need a 16 channel front end. I was using the conversion on the 4-710d to get 8 more channels into the Apollo. I don't know how the conversion quality of the 4-710d stacks up in the world of converters. What do you guys think? I'll be losing some pre's and DSP, but won't fork over additional cash. Worth it? How did the 4-710 stack up to the 2 great converters you had??? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 22, 2015 8:46:43 GMT -6
So, I may pick up a used Symphony 16x16 and sell my Apollo Quad Silverface, UA 4710-d, RM Superbeast and PCM4222. I will at least break even, if not come out a few dollars ahead. I will lose 8 preamps, quad DSP, unison pre's and the ability to track through UAD plugs. I still have an Octo Thunderbolt, and I never really printed any plugs on the way in. I'm trying to move toward more hardware anyways. I need a 16 channel front end. I was using the conversion on the 4-710d to get 8 more channels into the Apollo. I don't know how the conversion quality of the 4-710d stacks up in the world of converters. What do you guys think? I'll be losing some pre's and DSP, but won't fork over additional cash. Worth it? about a great plan, the symph is a large step up sonically from the UA imo, but i would NOT sell the RM combo if i were you, you won't get enough $ out of it to warrant selling it, and it's going to make the symph and just about anything else pale in comparison, you can continue to use it for round tripping, and DA monitoring duties, and you'll have the AD for tracking all your overdubs, thats how i would roll. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 22, 2015 9:26:49 GMT -6
have you looked into trading the apollo towards a new bf 16 apollo ?
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 22, 2015 10:02:32 GMT -6
So, I may pick up a used Symphony 16x16 and sell my Apollo Quad Silverface, UA 4710-d, RM Superbeast and PCM4222. I will at least break even, if not come out a few dollars ahead. I will lose 8 preamps, quad DSP, unison pre's and the ability to track through UAD plugs. I still have an Octo Thunderbolt, and I never really printed any plugs on the way in. I'm trying to move toward more hardware anyways. I need a 16 channel front end. I was using the conversion on the 4-710d to get 8 more channels into the Apollo. I don't know how the conversion quality of the 4-710d stacks up in the world of converters. What do you guys think? I'll be losing some pre's and DSP, but won't fork over additional cash. Worth it? about a great plan, the symph is a large step up sonically from the UA imo, but i would NOT sell the RM combo if i were you, you won't get enough $ out of it to warrant selling it, and it's going to make the symph and just about anything else pale in comparison, you can continue to use it for round tripping, and DA monitoring duties, and you'll have the AD for tracking all your overdubs, thats how i would roll. You think the RM stuff is an improvement over the Symphony? I should also add that I have money tied up in a Svartbox in for evaluation that would end up being unnecessary, I would assume. have you looked into trading the apollo towards a new bf 16 apollo ? I've actually considered that as well. I just haven't heard how the new Apollos compare to the Symphony. Anyone have experience with Apogee's 8 mic pre card for the Symphony? I'd rather use other pre's, but thought it might be a nice bank of utility pre's (if I can get them for say $600-$700) to replace the eight I'm losing until I can build up my arsenal back up. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 22, 2015 10:05:00 GMT -6
keep an eye on apogee's store, because you can get Refurbed Apogee 8x8s (including chassis) for 2K flat. the 8x8 cards refurb for like 1400, so that's 3400 for 16x16 over USB (no need for Tbolt)
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.. But you guys are the voice of reason.!
.. Heard good stuff about the Ross Martin ADDA's. Burl's a little on the pricey side 
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