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Post by mobeach on Dec 12, 2014 16:42:19 GMT -6
I've been completely run down lately and nothing seems to work the way it should. My doctor had me try Lorazepam, Trazodone and now Ambien, no matter what I take I always wake up at 1 AM regardless of what time I go to bed. Anyone have similar problems? If so what caused it and what cured it? I haven't been doing anything musically lately because of this.
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Post by keymod on Dec 12, 2014 17:34:20 GMT -6
Stress? Some say moderate exercise helps. I can't remember what a good night sleep feels like. The fact that I don't like my day GIG doesn't help. Being too tired to enjoy being creative really sucks.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 12, 2014 18:04:00 GMT -6
A good long day combining physical/mental activity usually does it for me, i'm a mostly hands on construction contractor, things haven't been very busy lately, so i have been having a hard time falling asleep, las night i was up till 4am! I laid down at 11... tossed/turned, pulled up some soundgarden on my iphone and listened to a couple tunes, shut it off and tried again, wash rinse repeat till 4am! I listened to all their records last night  Hell of a band! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2014 18:10:29 GMT -6
I think our systems get out of whack pretty easily and if you change the amount of physical activity that certainly screws us up its tuff to have an exercise regimen when you do hard physical labour but even 3 20 minute walks a week really contribute to fitness, laying off caffeine earlier and getting off the net and technology earlier in the evening to give our brains a chance to wind down!  |
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Post by mobeach on Dec 12, 2014 18:17:23 GMT -6
I'm going to get an exercise bike right after Xmas. It's dark before I get home from work so I don't want to go out jogging or walking and get hit by someone that's texting and driving! No wait.. that happens in the day time too..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 18:28:34 GMT -6
Trazodone has been a good sedativum and sleep medication for me. Very effective, as long as the dosis is below 150mg. More is *not* better, but changes the effect to be more antidepressive than sedative...
25mg-50mg worked for me, others might need more. And i have strong sleeping problems...
Atosil (Promethazine, a mildly neuroleptic antihistaminicum) works similarly good in the drops formula in many cases, where you can set the dose very individually, 5mg=drops already work for me, if you have an underlying crisis of any kind, the needed dose *can* rise up very steep. It is also very widely used and long term tested and has a large pharmaceutical bandwidth.
25-50mg Seroquel(Quetiapin) non-retard works also for many (if it is just for a sleep problem, if you have other probs too, doses can get much higher), similar to above options, with less side-effects than Atosil. It also has a stronger neuroleptic effect than Atosil. My definite med of choice (i take 300mg every day, but retard formula, works nevertheless to get min. 9h of sleep per day - and i never slept significantly more than 4h/day for years before due to an underlying illness...).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 18:36:43 GMT -6
These winter days, many have sleep problems, caused by less light for orientation and regulation.
BTW:
Melatonine is a very mild med you can buy in the US without a presciption, if i am right. It is a very good sleeping regulator for "normal" sleep problems and widely used to cure jet lag problems.
Well worth a try!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 18:51:38 GMT -6
The Zolpidem you take now is one of the so-called Z-meds (Zolpidem/Zopiclone and others) and does have an addiction risk, similar to the Lorazepam and the other benzodiazepines, so if it doesn't work for you, i wouldn't take it for too long.
The other options i mentioned are all non-addictive.
So stay on the safe side. GAS is hard enough ;-)
And while i am at it: Alcohol is a sleep killer. Most people think it helps, but if you have a sleep problem, best is to avoid alcohol totally.
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Post by svart on Dec 12, 2014 18:55:06 GMT -6
Working out makes me stay up. I can't sleep if I've done a lot of labor during the day.
Typically insomnia is based on unresolved stress as others have mentioned.
What works for me is to do something completely mindless for a couple hours before bed and keep doing it until i can't possibly stay awake any longer. It absolutely has to be something fun, because you want to get lost inn doing it, to completely take your mind off anything, including the insomnia. The more you think about insomnia, The worse it gets becauseit adds to the stress.
Playing computer games is what i do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 19:13:42 GMT -6
Yepp, svart.
Computer games are OK, if they are not too stressy, reading a good book in bed can also guide you away from thinking too much about the day, tomorrow and insomnia to relax and let go...
Two weeks before christmas, many people have sleepless nights due to all the underlying stress everywhere and too little daylight...not uncommon.
But it seems the problems are a bit more severe if the mentioned meds did not help. At least trazodone and the Z-meds do work for all people i know, and many of them have severe sleeping probs due to psychiatrically diagnosed underlying probs.
Continuing sleeping problems that have an impact on your everyday life can also occur as a symptom of several disorders, from anxiety problems to PTBS, depressions, mania and alot more.
If it doesn't go away after longest a few weeks, one should go to see a specialist, after a complete physical checkup...
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Post by mobeach on Dec 13, 2014 10:35:06 GMT -6
These winter days, many have sleep problems, caused by less light for orientation and regulation. BTW: Melatonine is a very mild med you can buy in the US without a presciption, if i am right. It is a very good sleeping regulator for "normal" sleep problems and widely used to cure jet lag problems. Well worth a try! I have 3 mg and 5 mg Melatonin, they work sometimes.. but seem to work better if I take one 2 hrs before bed then a 50 mg Trazodone at bed time. And even then I've woken up at 3 AM |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 19:03:05 GMT -6
mobeach, ok, i see. If i were you, i would try to avoid all unnecessary somehow stressful appointments immediately, cut down the stress level in all areas of life however possible. The weeks before christmas are extreme workload, stress and burden for most people. Everyone seems to do the direct opposite of what this time was meant to be in the past - the winter time of calming down, reflection, staying at home mostly and relaxed happiness about coming christmas holidays. Letting the thoughts flow freely and telling each other stories at the fireplace (or s.t. similar...) I think, many health problems around these days have more or less to do with christmas and the end of the year and the demands of modern life in western societies... And this stress is nowadays oftenly paired with high expectations about a pleasing christmas eve, because you get a picture of *perfect* christmas in about every media around the planet that most people never have in reality. That's kind of a paradoxon, and many people achieve the opposite of what they planned. Like a christmas burnout immediately after the holidays... Everything is trying to trigger your emotions, childhood memories etc., and in many cases this isn't nearly as good, as it sounds like and makes many people psychically weaker and vulnerable to nervous symptoms like e.g. sleep problems, anxiety or melancholia and depression. Also, family, as nice as it is to have one, can be very stressful and emotional these days. As simple as it gets - if even good meds are hardly working, in most if not all cases you have to cut down stress and expectations immediately - and this means distress and eustress (positive and negative) - by a serious amount. Physical stress, psychical stress, all kind of stress. I made VERY good experiences in the past taking one or two weeks off BEFORE christmas. It gave me almost instant relief to know, that i have lots of time for all christmas preparations and calm down, and these have been the best christmas days of my life, literally, and even better than my best childhood memories... Well.This is purely personal experiences and opinion and must not apply to you and your situation at all. But maybe one or the other thing could help you solving your problem... Best regards, good sleep, and a nice sunday, Martin
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Post by swurveman on Dec 14, 2014 8:52:35 GMT -6
Just my $.02: My experience is that if I don't get any exercise and eat a late meal ( 9PM or after) with a couple of drinks I have nighttime waking, usually between 1-3 AM with hours of staying awake to follow. If I exercise (all I do is walk for 20-30 minute) eat dinner around 6-7 pm I mostly sleep well.
I also had another period of life when I went through a lot of life changes where no matter what I did I could not sleep well and this was combined with anxiety. I took Klonopin before bed and that helped a lot.
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 14, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -6
I've had it since I was about 14. I've been on Ambien since. It will work, just make sure they don't give you the extended release kind, they won't put you out, get the regular 10mg ones. I take one of those and 10mg of melatonin and lay down about 5 mins after and that's pretty much my routine, has been for years. I used to stay up all night, sleep the next, stay up all night sleep the next etc. etc. etc. and the combination of the Ambien and Melatonin fixed it. My advice, start off with taking 3mg Melatonin, 5 mins later take a 10mg full release Ambien and then lay down and make sure you can do a full 8 hours and you'll wake up all jolly and feeling great.
Good luck! Insomnia is the worst ailment, it will cause your immune system to fail and your mind to suffer greatly. I hope this may work for you. Melatonin is over the counter and the best ones are the quick dissolve. Just start with 3mg, you'll probably have to increase little by little as time goes on, but in combo w/ the RX it works beautifully.
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Post by baquin on Dec 14, 2014 14:32:47 GMT -6
Yes, I had it for 2 years. Couldn't sleep until 5am or woke up 3am, like clockwork. As everyone said, it was caused by stress. I tried to workout a couple hours before going to bed, with no success. Also tried reading, playing videogames, silent drum practice, etc...but only got me more hooked up. After several remedies and drugs my doctor gave me some Valeriana pills, it worked just fine. It took 3 months so I could sleep on my own. Maybe you should try some herbal remedies before trying drugs. Last but not least, a psychologist could help you identify somethings you might not be aware of. Take care. |
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Post by mobeach on Dec 14, 2014 14:46:07 GMT -6
I've had it since I was about 14. I've been on Ambien since. It will work, just make sure they don't give you the extended release kind, they won't put you out, get the regular 10mg ones. I take one of those and 10mg of melatonin and lay down about 5 mins after and that's pretty much my routine, has been for years. I used to stay up all night, sleep the next, stay up all night sleep the next etc. etc. etc. and the combination of the Ambien and Melatonin fixed it. My advice, start off with taking 3mg Melatonin, 5 mins later take a 10mg full release Ambien and then lay down and make sure you can do a full 8 hours and you'll wake up all jolly and feeling great. Good luck! Insomnia is the worst ailment, it will cause your immune system to fail and your mind to suffer greatly. I hope this may work for you. Melatonin is over the counter and the best ones are the quick dissolve. Just start with 3mg, you'll probably have to increase little by little as time goes on, but in combo w/ the RX it works beautifully. I'm not sure which Ambien it is, 5 mg small,skinny pills. My Dr said Ambien can cause Alzheimers (as all insomnia meds can) so he only gave me a 15 count prescription to get me into a routine. |
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 14, 2014 21:06:45 GMT -6
Well, I've been taking it for 15 years and I don't have any memory issues. It does affect people differently I guess, but a lot of the side effects they tell is a precaution. They usually will give you a small amount to start to see if it gets you back in sync, but, if after you stop taking it you don't continue sleeping well then that would be chronic insomnia, which is what I have, and pretty much everyone on my dads side of the family. The ambien he gave you is the normal type, which is good, the extended release ones are worthless and full of other fillers and crap that gave me migraines. If ya take an a melatonin maybe 30 mins before bed, and then the ambien 10 mins before bed you'll sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed.
Word of the wise though, when you take the ambien, go on and lay down, don't get up. I used to get back up for something and I would end up promising my wife all these honey-do's and vacations and in the morning I had no idea of it.
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Post by mobeach on Dec 15, 2014 6:53:42 GMT -6
Well, I've been taking it for 15 years and I don't have any memory issues. It does affect people differently I guess, but a lot of the side effects they tell is a precaution. They usually will give you a small amount to start to see if it gets you back in sync, but, if after you stop taking it you don't continue sleeping well then that would be chronic insomnia, which is what I have, and pretty much everyone on my dads side of the family. The ambien he gave you is the normal type, which is good, the extended release ones are worthless and full of other fillers and crap that gave me migraines. If ya take an a melatonin maybe 30 mins before bed, and then the ambien 10 mins before bed you'll sleep like a baby and wake up feeling refreshed. Word of the wise though, when you take the ambien, go on and lay down, don't get up. I used to get back up for something and I would end up promising my wife all these honey-do's and vacations and in the morning I had no idea of it. I googled it and had a lot of hits regarding Alzheimers and sleeping pills. It's all pretty recent and worth looking into. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2756942/Sleeping-pills-Alzheimer-s-As-major-new-study-suggests-link-examine-worrying-evidence.html |
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 15, 2014 13:13:34 GMT -6
Lol... well just google any kind of pill you can think of, it'll have something similar that it causes.... hell just google some of the ingredients off the back of something in your food pantry, that'll scare the hell outta you!
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Post by mobeach on Dec 15, 2014 14:19:22 GMT -6
Lol... well just google any kind of pill you can think of, it'll have something similar that it causes.... hell just google some of the ingredients off the back of something in your food pantry, that'll scare the hell outta you! My Dr told me it was a recent study |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 20:31:48 GMT -6
I read about the study. It is about all meds that are working with the GABA system of neurotransmitters. I.e. the Z-drugs zolpidem/zopiclone/etc. and benzodiazepines like lorazepam, valium, lexotanil and similar. These drugs work on the GABA receptors, like alcohol does too. The link to alzheimer was found with older people that live in care/retirement homes where many of them get these meds regularly to calm down and sleep...and where nobody cares about the addiction risk anymore...  Normal people should not take these meds over longer than 2-3 weeks anyway, because they have a more or less addictive risk. Like all substances that work on the GABA receptors. Exception is lyrica, which seems to have a near zero addiction risk. |
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Post by mobeach on Dec 18, 2014 13:49:29 GMT -6
Medical Marijuana is legal in this state but it's taking them forever to start up some pot stores  I was thinking some really strong Indica might work. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 19:54:26 GMT -6
A word about that....
I used strong hashish in small doses in my twen years to get rid of my lifelong, permanent sleeping problems. While i will not recommend it, it did work somehow.
But it may not work or even worsen things for many.
It can help to relax and let your thoughts run freely to fall asleep easier. But on the other side, it can cause it's own problems, having negative effects on psychic problems up to triggering psychotic episodes and even do the opposite of what is intended and can cause insomnia itself (LOL)...
But well...if it is legal in your country - you could try. If it works, it works...
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Post by ericn on Dec 19, 2014 11:40:25 GMT -6
A good night sleep? What's that ? With this fed up body it's a luxury!
But here's my advice, it's all about routine, balance and general good health. Try limiting caffeine, changeling your diet, each individually. Good luck.
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Hell of a band!
I was thinking some really strong Indica might work.